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My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt - (RESOLVED)
« on: January 19, 2019, 09:09:35 PM »

Got the 878 a couple of weeks ago as an itch to upgrade from my aging 850L. With the 850L i somehow was never able to get a good reliable wifi signal in other rooms without using a range extender which brings its own hassles along with it, so i thought of upgrading to a router with actual antennae. The MIMO tech has piqued my curiosity for quite some time now and i finally bit the bullet and got this off amazon.
First unit received, buggy as hell. The router would frequently drop wifi connection altogether with all my devices as well as WPA2 password incorrect errors although the wifi leds on the unit itself were solid green. I read literally every single post on the dlink forums here for the 878 as well as it's brother 882 for a fix. Learnt about smart connect turned off. Tried turning off smart connect but then the 5GHz band would simply disappear after an hour even for a device right next to the router.
With time running out to return the product, i called up Dlink India tech support. Mind you, their tech support here is ultra awesome. I remember many years ago i wanted to resolve my double nat issues due to a dlink modem and a seperate dlink router. I just told them about nat and they sat down with me over the phone and helped setup the bridge on the modem and the dhcp on the router. Ever since i've been fan of sorts of Dlink products and vocally support them.
Coming back to the issue, the tech support asked me if i had factory reset. Since i had tried that before calling them, the next suggestion was to downgrade from 1.12 to an older fw which they said was an official fix to exactly the issues i was facing (wifi drops and 5GHz band dying completely).
I tried the downgrade but the issues showed up within an hour of me getting off the call with them. I quickly raised a return request on amazon and received a replacement fresh unit in 2 days.
≈Here's some of the interesting things i noticed throughout this whole ordeal :
Both units although sealed had a lot of dust inside the actual box and the unit. There is a noticeable amount of dust on the side antenna although the router was in a shrinkwrap sort of plastic film (like the one you peel off iphones). I'm quite surprised with two sealed units having the same dust issues which kind of rules out the possibility of a refurb being sent out to me. Maybe just poor quality control at the manufacturing plant?
For the second unit, i was literally about to simply return and ask for a refund but then reading through all these posts, tried something on my own.
Factory reset the router without configuring it manually or through the wizard.
Setup the router through  the wizard and post setup upgraded the fw from within the router GUI.
Upgraded the fw to 1.12 and then immediately factory reset the router again.
Accessed the wizard and setup the router again.

Ever since this trick of double reset, the router has worked well. Smart Connect though is broken. I enabled it for a day and it brought back all the issues mentioned above wpa2 password suddenly wrong and kicking my devices off wifi, 5 ghz band simply disappearing (checked via wifianalyser app on android) and kicking devices sitting next to the router off wifi generally.
I went back and turned off smart connect and life has been good. The upnp implementation is probably not as good on this as it was on the 850L. Here if the router is rebooted, i lose open nat on ps4 and xbox. The xbox had a fit a couple of days ago getting strict nat for no reason. Had to shutdown the router and the bridged modem for 5 minutes and all's well now.
Thanks for furrynutz for being so responsive on these forums. There's a lot of uncertainty with the way this product works but atleast for now it's working well albeit with smart connect turned off.

One thing that i've learnt along with the double reset, is the antennae positioning. My house is a single storey apartment and all 4 antennae pointing vertically up didnt work out as well for adjoining rooms. What worked for me was the rear antennae slanted at 45 away from each other. And the side antennae slanted forwards at 45. This gets me brilliant signal. :)

Another thing i learnt while trying to fix the xbox strict nat and upnp unsuccessful issue, the reboot router from within the GUI doesn't work the way it should. An actual powerdown using the physical button does the trick way better than the software option.

Pros : Great range. I get full range bars in adjoining rooms and am able to stream online /offline content to two devices at once which my 850L could never do without hiccups.
Cons : Smart connect just doesn't like me. Upnp for gamers who are ocd about open NAT is a hit or a miss. The actual router is quite big which is the thing i loved the most about my 850L (it's just so cute and small ;) ) LED indicators have a lot of light bleed through the plastic enclosure which honestly feels disappointing as this is not exactly an el-cheapo product. I paid almost $78 for this so poor build quality sticks out like a sore thumb. I prefer using Google DNS within the router settings and it frequently wipes out the saved google dns for no reason which points towards 1.12 fw not exactly stable.
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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2019, 09:38:31 AM »

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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2019, 10:58:08 PM »

Region : India

PS4 and Xbox are hardwired with a Cat6 Ethernet cable.

Internet is a VDSL service by Airtel.
ISP modem is a Huawei HG630 modem router device. The modem has been set in bridges mode and dhcp has been ensured as turned off within it. The Dlink 878 has been input with the isp authentication credentials using a PPPOE setup. DHCP has been setup on the 878.

Smart Connect has been turned off. Both bands have the same SSID. I am using a custom SSID name. No other changes to channel or any other customisation. The password is also custom and same for both bands.

No cordless phones in the house. The microwave is at a distance from the router so Iím ruling out interference from it. Neighbours ofcourse all have wifi. Using wifi analyser app I can see lots of networks around however I havenít tried setting any channels manually and prefer to just let the router do the heavy lifting :)

I must reiterate though, I am currently not facing any issues as such ever since I turned off smart connect. My original post wasnít as much as a complaint but rather sharing my experience with this router. The upnp unsuccessful issue that happened last week hasnít resurfaced ever since. Had to go through several power downs of the router and the 2 consoles. But itís good now. Type 2 NAT on the PS4 with Open NAT within multiplayer games. Xbox One X Open NAT in the dashboard. Donít have a mp game on the Xbox to check NAT status within game. But Iím sure it will be open because the dashboard detects as open. :)



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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2019, 12:22:42 AM »

To add : I read so much about newer generation D-Link routers not working in terms of upnp correctly and something about full cone NAT but my experience kinda proves one can get an Open NAT simultaneously on two consoles. I was about to set an alternate port on the Xbox last week but since the multiple powerdowns resolved the issue Iím holding off on doing that for now.
If youíre collating data for better helping others in the future, one more thing I learnt with the upnp and strict NAT issue on the Xbox is, rebooting the Xbox wasnít fixing the issue. I manually did a full shutdown of the Xbox, powered down the router, gave it a good 5 minutes and the. Powered on the router, let it settle in nicely and then switched on the Xbox and bam.. Open NAT
I still feel 0 issues with upnp and NAT over 4 years with the 850L and so many in a week with this new 878 indicates the upnp implementation certainly needs a lot of work from D-Link themselves and lots of patience from end-users like us. Iím not a networking expert but could it be that the 850L has full come NAT and the 878 has symmetric NAT which from what I read last week is supposed to be more secure?
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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2019, 06:27:03 AM »

Oh uPnP works on newer generation D-Link routers. Hadn't been any issues that I've seen.

NAT also works, however when it comes to two game consoles online at the same time, playing the same game at the same time, one of the two games will not be fully OPEN NAT. This mostly effects multi player online games like CoD.

Full Cone NAT isn't available anymore on D-Link routers. I used to be. They started removing it 2013/2014 time frame. If the 850L had a firewall feature selection of NAT EndPoints in the UI, then yes, the 850L has the ability to use FULL CONE NAT. I didn't test this model router, however these had the ability to use FULL CONE NAT: D-Link DIR-655 Rev A, B and Rev C*, DIR-825 Rev B, DIR-835, DIR-657,827 and 857, DGL-4500
The 868L, 826L and 836L and 810L had the ability in early FW version, however was removed in later FW versions.
The 850L may have been effected as well since the 850L was about the same time frame in development as the 868L. 

You can find out what your 850L and 878 does here:
http://nattest.net.in.tum.de
Please post what router reports. I presume it will be Port Address Restricted NAT.

To add : I read so much about newer generation D-Link routers not working in terms of upnp correctly and something about full cone NAT but my experience kinda proves one can get an Open NAT simultaneously on two consoles. I was about to set an alternate port on the Xbox last week but since the multiple powerdowns resolved the issue Iím holding off on doing that for now.
If youíre collating data for better helping others in the future, one more thing I learnt with the upnp and strict NAT issue on the Xbox is, rebooting the Xbox wasnít fixing the issue. I manually did a full shutdown of the Xbox, powered down the router, gave it a good 5 minutes and the. Powered on the router, let it settle in nicely and then switched on the Xbox and bam.. Open NAT
I still feel 0 issues with upnp and NAT over 4 years with the 850L and so many in a week with this new 878 indicates the upnp implementation certainly needs a lot of work from D-Link themselves and lots of patience from end-users like us. Iím not a networking expert but could it be that the 850L has full come NAT and the 878 has symmetric NAT which from what I read last week is supposed to be more secure?
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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2019, 07:41:04 AM »

Thanks Furrynutz Iíll take a look at that link.
I donít have the same game on both consoles but I the fact that NAT is open on both consoles at the same time is pretty good  for me.
I appreciate all the help you provide on these forums. This coupled with D-Linkís super nerdy tech support is really reassuring. So thank you once again :)
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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2019, 09:30:42 AM »

Yes, ON the consoles should be open and glad they are. ;D  Same game, different story. LOL  ::)

Thanks and glad to be of help. D-Link makes good stuff.

Have fun and enjoy.  ;)
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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2019, 09:00:15 PM »

Update : Started getting NAT as strict and error as ďupnp unsuccessfulĒ on the Xbox One X out of nowhere yesterday. Figured I might as well try the Alternate Port selection the Xbox allows in Network Settings.
Did that, cleared the Mac (as advised on google searches), the Xbox reboots and back on Open NAT again. The PS4 meanwhile continues to be on Open NAT within games. Iím hoping this fixes this issue for good once and for all. If anything changes will post back. Sharing this to help someone else who might encounter a similar scenario.

By the way @FurryNutz I tried the NAT test url. It required java and inspite of installing it, am unable to run the test. Just keeps saying I need java installed. I guess Iíll leave it at that. :)


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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2019, 05:52:18 AM »

I found that using FF x32 ESR version v52 and Java x32 version works for testing that NAT site.

Let us know if you need NAT issues again on the 878. I may need to get on of these routers just to see since  I have two xboxes. However I presume both should be OPEN NAT at the dash board and one will be OPEN NAT and the other moderate or strict when playing same game at the same time.

Update : Started getting NAT as strict and error as ďupnp unsuccessfulĒ on the Xbox One X out of nowhere yesterday. Figured I might as well try the Alternate Port selection the Xbox allows in Network Settings.
Did that, cleared the Mac (as advised on google searches), the Xbox reboots and back on Open NAT again. The PS4 meanwhile continues to be on Open NAT within games. Iím hoping this fixes this issue for good once and for all. If anything changes will post back. Sharing this to help someone else who might encounter a similar scenario.

By the way @FurryNutz I tried the NAT test url. It required java and inspite of installing it, am unable to run the test. Just keeps saying I need java installed. I guess Iíll leave it at that. :)
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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2019, 08:48:43 AM »

The Xbox today started showing moderate NAT and upnp unsuccessful. Set another alternate port. Letís see if it again does the same upnp error after 24hours. I really think you should pass this feedback to D-Link. The more I read, good routers are supposed to work out correct upnp in a multi console environment. And Iím not even talking about 2 xboxes and the exact same game. Thankfully the PS4 has clung on to open NAT which is a bit of a relief.
If after 24 hours the Xbox reverts to the same error, do you suggest portforwarding only for the IP I have assigned to the Xbox in the router? Iíve read itís not advisable to have both upnp and port forwarding enabled at the same time. Your thoughts?
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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2019, 08:57:50 AM »

What region are you located?

Do you have PF configurations enabled, if so, then yes, upnp needs to be disabled if your using PF configurations.
uPnP should be able to handle two different game consoles with out any PF configurations.

Is the PS connected and online when this happens to the xbox? Test the system with out the PS being connected to see if the xbox gets correct NAT.
Be sure Instant ON feature on the xbox IS disabled aswell.


The Xbox today started showing moderate NAT and upnp unsuccessful. Set another alternate port. Letís see if it again does the same upnp error after 24hours. I really think you should pass this feedback to D-Link. The more I read, good routers are supposed to work out correct upnp in a multi console environment. And Iím not even talking about 2 xboxes and the exact same game. Thankfully the PS4 has clung on to open NAT which is a bit of a relief.
If after 24 hours the Xbox reverts to the same error, do you suggest portforwarding only for the IP I have assigned to the Xbox in the router? Iíve read itís not advisable to have both upnp and port forwarding enabled at the same time. Your thoughts?
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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2019, 09:06:28 AM »

Just checking to see if there is any progress on this. Let us know.

The Xbox today started showing moderate NAT and upnp unsuccessful. Set another alternate port. Letís see if it again does the same upnp error after 24hours. I really think you should pass this feedback to D-Link. The more I read, good routers are supposed to work out correct upnp in a multi console environment. And Iím not even talking about 2 xboxes and the exact same game. Thankfully the PS4 has clung on to open NAT which is a bit of a relief.
If after 24 hours the Xbox reverts to the same error, do you suggest portforwarding only for the IP I have assigned to the Xbox in the router? Iíve read itís not advisable to have both upnp and port forwarding enabled at the same time. Your thoughts?
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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2019, 12:43:12 AM »

Hi FurryNutz

Apologies for the late response.

My region is India
Fw : latest one 1.12

No kind of PF enabled on the router. I just prefer to let upnp do itís job. Only thing Iíve done is assign a static IP for the PS4 and Xbox One X. The consoles themselves are set to obtain IP and DNS automatically.
Over the past 3-4 days, while the PS4 remains on Open NAT in-game and Type 2 on the dashboard. The Xbox fluctuates between moderate and strict along with upnp unsuccessful error. Iíve tried the alternate port selection on the Xbox and doing that the NAT opens up for maybe a day. After 24 hours itís back to the same issues.
To add, only one console is powered on at any given time.
As for your suggestion to avoid Instant-On mode on the Xbox, with due respect the previous router never had any issues so itís something with the 878 that needs fixing.
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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2019, 07:31:14 AM »

When you say Static I presume you are Reserving an IP address ON the router for the game consoles?

When you see this fluctuation, which game console is turned on First? The xbox or the PS4?
So even if the PS4 isn't ON, the NAT type is fluctuation on the xbox when its online alone?

Please try disabling Instant ON and let us know the results.

I've ordered a DIR-878 and will be testing this out with my two xbox game consoles I have.
 
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Re: My experience with the 878 and lessons learnt
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2019, 07:38:27 AM »

When you say Static I presume you are Reserving an IP address ON the router for the game consoles?

When you see this fluctuation, which game console is turned on First? The xbox or the PS4?
So even if the PS4 isn't ON, the NAT type is fluctuation on the xbox when its online alone?

Please try disabling Instant ON and let us know the results.

I've ordered a DIR-878 and will be testing this out with my two xbox game consoles I have.

Yes static means i've reserved the ip for the xbox in the router.
Yes for your second question as well. The ps4 is fully powered off whenever i boot up the xbox and it boots into strict or moderate nat.

Instant On turned off : I'll try this and respect your recommendation as far as troubleshooting is concerned, but wouldn't turning off instant on be kind of counter productive? With it OFF, the xbox no longer auto-downloads patches not to mention the slightly longer time to boot up. I'll def try it though and post back in 2-3 days with my observations :)
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