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Author Topic: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?  (Read 972 times)

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Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« on: April 17, 2018, 10:25:18 AM »

I finally got my DCS-2630L up and running on my home wifi network. 

Some background:  I have comcast (yuck) as my inet provider.  I have my own Motorola surfboard cable modem, a Linksys WRT54G hardwired to that and running DHCP with port forward for external access to camera (et al), a Dlink DIR-615 hardwired to that in another room acting as an access point (same SSID, no DHCP).  Both routers have Wifi on.  1400 square foot house.  3 camera (Swann ADS-440, Dlink DCS-5009, and now the DCS-2630L), and a NAS that can act as an FTP server.  I connect either via MyDlink software, or generic IPCam software (if I want to view all 3 cameras).

I'm a networking novice, but have pieced this together over the years from internet searches, so it's likely not the ideal setup! 

Since adding the 2630L to my network, I'm noticing:
1) viewing the camera video live is VERY jerky.  Either stops/starts, or seems slow than "catches up."
2) Oftentimes cannot connect to all 3 cameras.  One or another will be unavailable.
3) The DIR-615 has the last available firmware update (I believe) on it, and so dates/times are NOT current (only goes up to 2010, I think?).  I could install the DD-WRT, but don't feel experience enough to attempt that.
3) Last night, figured out that the 2630L, which is in the same room as the DIR-615, doesn't really LIKE the DIR-615.  I had to a) reboot the Linksys, b) turn OFF the DIR-615, c) reboot the 2630L, then finally d) boot the DIR-615 -- all this before I could connect to the 2630L.
4) all cameras have fixed IP addresses and ports forwarded and accessible from outside.

I'm concerned that my setup is causing slowdowns on my wifi and that's why the camera video is so jerky -- is that possible?

I'm also concerned that my setup is just too funky, and that's why the cameras go in and out.  Last night, everything was working.  Today, from my iPad on work wifi , I can connect to 2 of the cameras, but not the 3rd.  Would that be a PORT issue??

Just trying to work out the kinks -- any input is appreciated.

Cara
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Re: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2018, 10:40:37 AM »

Well one bottle neck could be the use of older legacy routers and routers as APs. The WRT is only 54Mb wireless supporting while the DIR-615 I believe maxed out at 150 or 300Mb which by today's standards is slow and not enough bandwidth especially with having more than one camera on the system. Your also limited by your wired network connections as well. 100Mb is on on Ethernet on both the WRT and DIR, however 1000Mb is recommended for best traffic handling and performances. Especially with video streams.

What is the Model # of the SB modem?

I would highly recommend getting a Gb Ethernet supporting router and if you need additional wifi range, you can install a DAP model AP where the DIR-615 is which would help bring you more range, coverage and speeds.
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Re: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2018, 12:00:41 PM »

Well one bottle neck could be the use of older legacy routers and routers as APs. The WRT is only 54Mb wireless supporting while the DIR-615 I believe maxed out at 150 or 300Mb which by today's standards is slow and not enough bandwidth especially with having more than one camera on the system.
The 615 is actually the one I thought I'd upgrade first but, since it already meets my max speeds (I have a plan that gives download speeds up to 100Mbps), maybe I'll reconsider and try a firmware-to-DD-WRT upgrade, though I'm terrified of bricking it.

Your also limited by your wired network connections as well. 100Mb is on on Ethernet on both the WRT and DIR, however 1000Mb is recommended for best traffic handling and performances. Especially with video streams.
  But not with a 100Mbps plan, right?

What is the Model # of the SB modem?   
6121.  Max download speed 101Mbps on that, according to Comcast.  Docsis 3.0, but I don't really see any reason to upgrade this if I don't want to pay more for my internet service (and I already pay too much).

I would highly recommend getting a Gb Ethernet supporting router and if you need additional wifi range, you can install a DAP model AP where the DIR-615 is which would help bring you more range, coverage and speeds.
 
  Not after the info I've provided on my plan though, right?  No point in getting a Gb router if my plan doesn't come close to that, correct?

I appreciate the help!
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Re: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2018, 12:15:50 PM »

All this speed and bandwidth is in regards to your LAN speed, not the ISP speed.

Your LAN side bandwidth is being maxed out or is not big enough to handle all the data flow from all of your devices and cameras. You need a bigger freeway, i.e. 1000Mb or 1Gb LAN speed. I.e. a router that has 1000Mb LAN ports and Highspeed Wifi for cameras and such. I have 3 cameras, two NEST controllers an several phones, DISH Hopper and 3 Joey system and other wifi devices. The DIR-615, I think I have one some place, would not be able to handle the amount of LAN side traffic that my Gb routers can. You need 1000Mb speed and better CPU performance. Something the 615 and the WRT can't offer.

You have any wired cable devices?

It also wouldn't hurt to have some ISP head room as well if your maxing out on your ISP speed with the router. 
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Re: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2018, 12:36:00 PM »

Starting to lose me, I'm afraid.

Not sure if I have anything wired.  Pretty sure the only wiring I'm using is the cabling from the Linksys to the DIR-615.

Would you mind telling me what YOU have, in terms of routers/range extenders/access points?  Specific models?  That'll get me looking at those features.

I have 2 Windows 10 notebooks, 3 cameras, 2 iphones, occasional iPad, ecobee thermostat and 2 smart TVs.  I think that's it.

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Re: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2018, 12:48:37 PM »

You can look at my foot note signature to see what I have in my stock.

All DIR-8xx series routers are dual band. All DIR-6 series were single 2.4Ghz band routers. I don't even think D-Link makes a single 2.4Ghz anymore. There mostly dual band 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz routers now days.

How big is your home? This will kind of help you determine what you may need. I have a 5000sq ft home, the COVR-3906 with it's extender works well for my needs.
http://us.dlink.com/products/connect/covr-ac3900-whole-home-wi-fi-system/
http://shop.us.dlink.com/d-link-covr-3902-ac3900-whole-home-wi-fi-system.html

However if you have a much smaller home, then a single router maybe all you need if placed centrally in the home on the main floor. Something like one of these two may work for you:
http://us.dlink.com/products/connect/ac1750-mu-mimo-wi-fi-router/
http://shop.us.dlink.com/shop/shop-oulet/sales/d-link-ac1750-mu-mimo-wi-fi-gigabit-route.html

http://us.dlink.com/products/connect/ac2600-mu-mimo-wi-fi-router/
http://shop.us.dlink.com/shop/shop-oulet/sales/dir-882-ac2600-mu-mimo-wi-fi-router.html

You got a lot of wireless devices and all these with the cameras going on the WRT or 615, poor things just can't handle the load.

Some options to review.

Let us know if you have any more questions...
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Re: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2018, 07:48:47 AM »

As always, thanks.  I ordered an 882 last night and will see if I can move it to a more central location in my 1500 sq ft house so I don't need a range extender.

I have much to learn, and not enough brain power (or time, or dedication, or attention) to learn it.
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Re: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2018, 07:50:09 AM »

Hope it works well. Let us know...
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Re: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2018, 11:40:23 AM »

Hoping you'll continue to help with my (now) setup issues.  The 882 is in place - so far, video seems less jerky.

Unfortunately, I have a 1500 sq foot ranch, and the cable modem is installed (and immovable) in my office at the south end of the house (house is rectangular, stretching south to north).  I previously had my Linksys main router next to the cable modem, with an Ethernet cable my husband jerry-rigged to the living room, which is directly in the center of the house, which connected to my DIR-615.  I ran wireless from both, with the DIR-615 as an access point.

Now, I'd like to JUST use the 882.  I originally installed it by connecting that jerry-rigged Ethernet to my modem, and putting the 882 in the living room.

UNFORTUNATELY, I have a MyCloud NAS that has to connect to the network via Ethernet.  I really don't want it pulled into the living room.  So I've moved the 882 back to the office at the end of the house so I can connect the MyCloud. 

How do I know if it's working efficiently at the end of the house?  Do I look at Wifi signal strength using some downloaded Windows or iPhone app, while also monitoring the video performance of my 3 cameras + anything else connected to the wifi?  Or is there a better way?

If I determine that I really need to move it to the living room -- will it affect my network performance if I take either my old Linksys WRT54G or my Dlink DIR-615 and put it in the office, have it connect WIRELESSLY to the 882 (as an access point, I guess?) and connect the MyCloud to one of its LAN ports?

Thanks again for any input...
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Re: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2018, 01:05:23 PM »

Ok, thinking more about this, couple of items.

Any chance you can keep the new router in the central location in the house and run one more cable back from this location to the office. I would recommend that you install a Gb network switch here in the office so you can keep any LAN connected devices connected to the router and network here. This can be done and would work for you:
http://us.dlink.com/products/business-solutions/8-port-unmanaged-gigabit-switch/
They make a 105 version thats only 5 port if you don't think you need that many ports. These are inexpensive on amazon. Good Switches too.

Would kind of look like this:
ISP Modem> Lan cable from modem to WAN port if 882 in central location> Lan port from back of 882 cable back to office area connected to switch> DGS Gb switch> Any Lan cable supporting device connected to switch including NAS.
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Re: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2018, 02:18:46 PM »

I will consider this, but am not sure how possible running a cable will be.

I am considering installing DD-WRT firmware on the DIR-615, then running that as a wireless bridge so I can plug in devices to it any where I want. 

Not sure if I'm at on a path that makes sense, but I'm going to see if I can borrow an Ethernet "dongle"/converter for my laptop and at least try out the DD-WRT.

Any experts on that upgrade, on this forum?
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Re: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2018, 02:25:58 PM »

Can look this over:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=72749.0

After you load it up, if there is any configuration help or install questions, please post them here:
https://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/index.php?sid=97e65d24212b26548d39a85a5f55a279
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Re: Weirdness since 2630L, but may not be camera related?
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2018, 06:23:09 PM »

Thanks for your expertise!
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