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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2015, 07:19:50 AM »

It would be recommended to have GB connection speeds on the ONT if possible. If it doesn't support 1000Mb between the ONT and the router, then you might ask for an ONT upgrade. 1000Mb connection rates is preferred on the WAN side. If the 868L only supports 20Mb uplink speeds in the QoS settings then this will be the max that it can handle. Most home users may not have these kinds of uplink speeds for these home class routers thus D-Link may set this limitation due to this general home usage in speeds. The DIR-655 has a limit of 2Mb I believe from the old days. I recently up got upgraded to 3Mb here. So there are some routers that I have that exhibit this uplink issue since they are limited at the 2Mb cap. Disabling TS and QoS resolves this.

If your using this in a business environment then this may not be a good choice in routers as you may need a business class router for handling higher ISP speeds. Home class routers are generally for the average home user with speeds usually lower than 20Mb.

Yes you can disable TS and QoS on the router and then the speeds will be correct. Theres been debate on weather QoS is really needed at those higher uplink speeds. Thus maybe it's not really needed.  ???

I recommend that you phone contact your regional D-Link support office and ask for help and information regarding this. As them about your speeds and weather this model router is best suited for you. If not, ask them which model router is more suited for your needs. We find that phone contact has better immediate results over using email.
Let us know how it goes please.
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2015, 05:23:27 AM »

Update on my previous post: D-Link support suggest not to use QOS.

So I wonder... is it strange to want to use QOS with uplink speeds over 20Mbps?

One of my hobbies is to make video-registrations of my son's soccer matches and share these files (up to 10GB) over a cloud drive share. It takes about 20 minutes to upload (100 Mbps symmetric connection to the ISP).
During upload, I want to prioritize the network traffic of my son's Playstation. Isn't that what QOS is meant for?
Is the use of QOS somehow dependent on the uplink speed of the connection, otherwise than that it will take a little longer before game lagging can occur?

In other words: am I expecting something that makes no sense?
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2015, 07:03:17 AM »

Theres been debate on weather or not QoS is needed on Uplinks faster than 20Mb. I presume D-Link gave some thought to this and giving that the average home user, at least here in the USA, doesn't have uplinks faster than 20Mb, may have only allowed for 20Mb and that was it. Any thing more then that may not need any QoS as the Uplink would be fast enough to handle several connections with out problems. Most game consoles while gaming don't take up 20Mb at a time, I've only seen 5Mb bandwidth on my 360 max while gaming and thats on the downlink however I have 50/3 here so QoS for me is beneficial. I don't know for sure what PS does or what it needs. PCs are entirely different and generally can take up more bandwidth.

If you have 100Mb uplink then QoS maybe of no use to you as 100Mb should be great for uplinks.

If you used QoS, then you could set up a rule for the PS and set a priority at 128 or maybe 200. Set up a higher Priority for your PC that does the uploads to 50.
You can follow an example here:
 DIR-645/835/868L/865L/826L Gaming and QoS for XBL

The uplink will be limited to the 20Mb max though...

I don't know if D-Link will be making changes to the QoS engine. Especially that this model router, as it's development should be closing as it's been about two years. Only changes would be to address any security problems in FW. The newer generation routers like the 880L and 890L with the new UI, http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=59563.0 those may be more supporting of higher uplinks over 20Mb. However, the new UI is less granular and less advanced and more tuned to simplicity and automatic detecting features.

DLink seems to be keeping the old UI on one of there new follow on routers:
http://support.dlink.com/emulators/dir866l/100/tools_admin.html

Update on my previous post: D-Link support suggest not to use QOS.

So I wonder... is it strange to want to use QOS with uplink speeds over 20Mbps?

One of my hobbies is to make video-registrations of my son's soccer matches and share these files (up to 10GB) over a cloud drive share. It takes about 20 minutes to upload (100 Mbps symmetric connection to the ISP).
During upload, I want to prioritize the network traffic of my son's Playstation. Isn't that what QOS is meant for?
Is the use of QOS somehow dependent on the uplink speed of the connection, otherwise than that it will take a little longer before game lagging can occur?

In other words: am I expecting something that makes no sense?
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2015, 12:37:32 AM »

Thanks for your answer.

When combining gaming with bulky uploads, I assume it's not the amount of data that the Playstation has to upload to some server, but any type of delay/latency in the connection that could cause problems.
When prioritizing data from a game console over bulky uploads, I would expect that the small amount of gaming data would be fit somewhere inbetween the data packets with the smallest possible delay. I expect this to be useful at any uplink speed, as soon as the actual uplink speed approaches the capacity of the connection. It's not that difficult to bring a 100Mbps uplink to its limits (FTP with another computer using the same ISP).

I have disabled QOS, since then the DIR-868L had no problems at all. I now apply Time Division Multiplexing (uploading at night or during school hours) to avoid gaming lag. As this is not for professional or even everyday use, it works for me.

Thanks again for reacting.
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2015, 07:11:41 AM »

Yes, depending on your configurations and applications and what you have going on, I presume it would be fairly easy to max out a 100Mb connection UP or Down. We see this a lot with torrenting users complaining about lag or slow speeds. Well, Torrents are notorious for being bandwidth hogs and users fail to realized that router have a certain limit of actual connections and any application can use not just one or a few, however can use several hundred. Torrent users are notorious for setting the DLs and getting as many has they can with out understanding that they will eventually max out bandwidth and cause slow performance. We can only suggest that users set limits on the Torrent/FTP download programs to help manage bandwidth.

Glad its working for you.
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2016, 11:13:38 AM »

FYI, there is an issue with QoS and will be fixed:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=55708.msg265441#msg265441
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2016, 02:54:56 AM »

Hello all!

I've just upgraded to a 1000Mbps internet, but through the router my maximum download speed is 330Mbps. Of course the WAN speed is set to 1000Mbit. Another interesting thing is the ping is pretty high, around 30-40ms, compared to an AC wifi device that shows 5ms. I think there might be a setting that cause this limit for LAN ports.

I've also checked all LAN ports with different CAT6 cables, but no changes.

Directily connected the computer is fine, 930Mbps download speed.

Could you please help me find out what cause this issue?

I've tried 1.09 and 1.10 FW for my A1 rev device, with no luck.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2016, 08:29:55 AM »

Link>Welcome!

  • What region are you located?
  • Has a Factory Reset been performed?
  • Was a Factory Reset performed before and after any firmware updates then set up from scratch?
  Link> >FW Update Process
  • Was the router working before any firmware updates?

Internet Service Provider and Modem Configurations
  • What ISP ONT Mfr. and model # do you have?

Router and Wired Configurations
  • Turn off ALL QoS or Disable Traffic Shaping (DIR only) GameFuel (DGL only and if ON.) options, Advanced/QoS.
  • Turn off Advanced DNS Services if you have this option under Setup/Internet/Manual or under Setup/PARENTAL CONTROL/Set to>None: Static IP or Obtain Automatically From ISP.
  • Enable or Disable Use Unicasting (compatibility for some ISP DHCP Servers) and test under Setup/Internet/Manual. Disable may help with speed performance on higher speed ISP services.
  • Turn off DNS Relay under Setup/Networking. Link>Finding Faster DNS Addresses using Name Bench and input new DNS addresses under Setup/Internet/Manual.
  • Setup DHCP reserved IP addresses for all devices ON the router. Setup/Networking. This ensures each devices gets its own IP address when turned on and connected, eliminates IP address conflicts and helps in troubleshooting and maintain consistency for applications that need to connect as well as mapped drives.
  • Ensure devices are set to auto obtain an IP address.
  • If IPv6 is an option on the router, select Local Connection Only under Setup/IPv6.
  • Set Firewall settings to Endpoint Independent for TCP and UDP under Advanced/Firewall. Disable SPI to test.

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Hello all!

I've just upgraded to a 1000Mbps internet, but through the router my maximum download speed is 330Mbps. Of course the WAN speed is set to 1000Mbit. Another interesting thing is the ping is pretty high, around 30-40ms, compared to an AC wifi device that shows 5ms. I think there might be a setting that cause this limit for LAN ports.

I've also checked all LAN ports with different CAT6 cables, but no changes.

Directily connected the computer is fine, 930Mbps download speed.

Could you please help me find out what cause this issue?

I've tried 1.09 and 1.10 FW for my A1 rev device, with no luck.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2016, 11:04:26 AM »

Any status on this?
Please give feedback for the questions presented so we can track this. Were hoping it will be addressed and fixed by D-Link. I'm trying to push for one more FW update as this model router is probably not going to see any more afterwards.

Hello all!

I've just upgraded to a 1000Mbps internet, but through the router my maximum download speed is 330Mbps. Of course the WAN speed is set to 1000Mbit. Another interesting thing is the ping is pretty high, around 30-40ms, compared to an AC wifi device that shows 5ms. I think there might be a setting that cause this limit for LAN ports.

I've also checked all LAN ports with different CAT6 cables, but no changes.

Directily connected the computer is fine, 930Mbps download speed.

Could you please help me find out what cause this issue?

I've tried 1.09 and 1.10 FW for my A1 rev device, with no luck.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2016, 11:26:50 AM »

Hi!

I'm still in connection with the support, they recomended to install 1.07 and now it allows around 400Mbps speed with 20-25ms ping.

Also checked LAN speed and it is way faster (almost 1gbps), so it seems that the issue is with the WAN port's speed.
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2016, 09:23:17 AM »

Any status on this?  ???

Hello all!

I've just upgraded to a 1000Mbps internet, but through the router my maximum download speed is 330Mbps. Of course the WAN speed is set to 1000Mbit. Another interesting thing is the ping is pretty high, around 30-40ms, compared to an AC wifi device that shows 5ms. I think there might be a setting that cause this limit for LAN ports.

I've also checked all LAN ports with different CAT6 cables, but no changes.

Directily connected the computer is fine, 930Mbps download speed.

Could you please help me find out what cause this issue?

I've tried 1.09 and 1.10 FW for my A1 rev device, with no luck.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2016, 01:04:44 AM »

Any status on this?  ???

Hello all!

I've just upgraded to a 1000Mbps internet, but through the router my maximum download speed is 330Mbps. Of course the WAN speed is set to 1000Mbit. Another interesting thing is the ping is pretty high, around 30-40ms, compared to an AC wifi device that shows 5ms. I think there might be a setting that cause this limit for LAN ports.

I've also checked all LAN ports with different CAT6 cables, but no changes.

Directily connected the computer is fine, 930Mbps download speed.

Could you please help me find out what cause this issue?

I've tried 1.09 and 1.10 FW for my A1 rev device, with no luck.

Thanks in advance.

After no solution found with the support, they've sent me a new revision router (B), which is working perfectly.  8)
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2016, 07:05:45 AM »

Did you get to test v1.07 on the Rev A?
Did you send back the Rev A?  ???

Glad the new Rev B is working.  ;)

Any status on this?  ???

Hello all!

I've just upgraded to a 1000Mbps internet, but through the router my maximum download speed is 330Mbps. Of course the WAN speed is set to 1000Mbit. Another interesting thing is the ping is pretty high, around 30-40ms, compared to an AC wifi device that shows 5ms. I think there might be a setting that cause this limit for LAN ports.

I've also checked all LAN ports with different CAT6 cables, but no changes.

Directily connected the computer is fine, 930Mbps download speed.

Could you please help me find out what cause this issue?

I've tried 1.09 and 1.10 FW for my A1 rev device, with no luck.

Thanks in advance.

After no solution found with the support, they've sent me a new revision router (B), which is working perfectly.  8)
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2016, 05:09:33 PM »

FYI, there is an issue with QoS and will be fixed:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=55708.msg265441#msg265441

Actually, I have contacted customer service and can confirm that they are in fact not working on a fix.  DIR-868L owners are out of luck if they need QoS to work correctly.  It's disappointing that DLINK is doing this.
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Re: DIR-868L WAN port with Gb Fiber ISP
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2016, 05:10:23 PM »

No, it's under review with D-Link from what I'm told and one last FW update should be forth coming before EOL.
The problem is only seen with ISP speeds 100Mb ISP speeds. Users with 100Mb ISP speeds and above should disable QoS until further notice.
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