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Title: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: pbls on June 24, 2009, 12:49:38 PM
Guys, post your speeds and settings that matter.

DNS-323
DIR-655
Marvel gigabit both with Jumbo Frames at 9000
Core2Duo 8400@3600
4GB Gskill 8000
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3641/captureeqc.png)

Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: fordem on June 25, 2009, 05:13:02 AM
Not bad - push the file size up to 1 & 2 GB and see what you get, typically it'll be faster than what you see at 500MB.

Now - although you've listed what's at the other end, you're missing the critical info - like what drive subsystem does it have.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: pbls on June 25, 2009, 06:20:14 AM
The drive from i run nastester was a WD 640GB.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: fordem on June 25, 2009, 10:36:22 AM
The drive subsystem involves a little more than just the drive and the capacity itself - is it SATA-I or SATA-II, is it RAID, even the time it was last defragged (yes it makes a significant difference).

I've seen read speeds similar to what you have (just over 30MB/sec) and write speeds a bit faster (around 24MB/sec) when running NASTester on my IBM xSeries server with a Maxtor 2x250GB RAID1 array - however, after I switched the server's RAID1 array to a RAID5 using 3x250GB Seagates the NASTester read figures took a serious nose dive, due to the "RAID5 write bottleneck".

Sooner or later you'll come to realise that the throughput numbers are purely academic - it's realworl throughput that makes the difference.

Try transferring a single 2GB file and then 1000 x 2MB files - same volume of data, but I'll be that the single large file transfers a heck of a lot faster ;)
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: pbls on June 30, 2009, 12:23:52 PM
Jesus,175 views and nobody posted their results...unsubscribed. :-[
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: j5ive on April 02, 2010, 08:58:42 PM
Y is no 1 posting! is this a dupe thread?
I want some specs to compare 2!!

DNS-323 w/2x WD10EARS in RAID1
Marvell Yukon 88E8001/8003/8010 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (on MB)

Nas Performance Tester 0.4
20MB File: Avg. W. 12.39 MB/s, Avg. R. 39.18 MB/s
200MB File: Avg. W. 15.59 MB/s, Avg. R. 24.58 MB/s
1024MB File: Avg. W. 15.62 MB/s, Avg. R. 29.72 MB/s

1 thing..is NASTester spec'ing bits or bytes? I'm guessing it's bytes. Rite?
Bits are small 'b'...and NASTester is showing BIG 'B'.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: Buhric on April 03, 2010, 04:52:46 AM
Here's my stats - NO Jumbo rfames activated
DNS-323 v1.08 Final - 2x Seagate 1TB - ST31000340AS - 2 separate Volumes - Tests done on Volume_1
MTB: Asus P5T with CPU i7 920
6Gb of RAM
Hard Drive: WD VelociRaptor - 150Gb - WDC WD1500HLFS-01G6U0

NAS performance Tester - 1 Loop
20MB File Avg. W. 18.02 MB/s  Avg. R. 23.15 MB/s
200MB File Avg. W. 16.85 MB/s  Avg. R. 18.52 MB/s
500MB File Avg. W. 16.50 MB/s  Avg. R. 19.65 MB/s
1024MB File Avg. W. 16.59 MB/s  Avg. R. 19.06 MB/s

Edit:
Forgot to mention DNS-323 are connected on a Linksys WRT610N router with FW v1.00.03 B15
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: fordem on April 03, 2010, 05:59:54 AM
1 thing..is NASTester spec'ing bits or bytes? I'm guessing it's bytes. Rite?
Bits are small 'b'...and NASTester is showing BIG 'B'.


Correct!

By the way - thanks for reviving the thread, there's a forum member here who has doubts as to the capabilities of the unit, your numbers should certainly interest him - they're quite impressive - this is the first time I've seen someone approaching 40MB/sec.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 03, 2010, 09:09:07 AM
I have no idea how they get those numbers from the DNS-323, I've never seen them here.  Here's a set of tests from a local drive, a Synology DS209, and the D-Link DNS-0323.

Quad-Core Q9550 with 8GB memory
All tests done with 4k jumbo frames enabled.

Local 7200 RPM SATA 1TB Drive

note:  200mb tests were meaningless, they were obviously buffered.

Running a 1000MB file write on drive D: 5 times...
Average (W):     86.78 MB/sec
Running a 1000MB file read on drive D: 5 times...
Average (R):     87.16 MB/sec
------------------------------


Synology DS209 two 5400 RPM drives RAID-1, EXT3

Running a 20MB file write on drive I: 5 times...
Average (W):     30.26 MB/sec
Running a 20MB file read on drive I: 5 times...
Average (R):     17.13 MB/sec
------------------------------

Running a 200MB file write on drive I: 5 times...
Average (W):     23.38 MB/sec
Running a 200MB file read on drive I: 5 times...
Average (R):     39.8 MB/sec
------------------------------

Running a 1000MB file write on drive I: 5 times...
Average (W):     25.07 MB/sec
Running a 1000MB file read on drive I: 5 times...
Average (R):     45.26 MB/sec
------------------------------


D-Link DNS-323 firmware 1.08 hardware B1, two 5400 RPM drives RAID-1, EXT2

Running a 20MB file write on drive J: 5 times...
Average (W):     6.38 MB/sec
Running a 20MB file read on drive J: 5 times...
Average (R):     8.84 MB/sec
------------------------------
Running a 200MB file write on drive J: 5 times...
Average (W):     9.29 MB/sec
Running a 200MB file read on drive J: 5 times...
Average (R):     12.49 MB/sec
------------------------------
Running a 1000MB file write on drive J: 5 times...
Average (W):     10.27 MB/sec
Running a 1000MB file read on drive J: 5 times...
Average (R):     16.47 MB/sec
------------------------------
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: test0r on April 03, 2010, 02:11:29 PM
Did you changed anything on the software of the box to get those speeds ?
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 03, 2010, 02:42:59 PM
Personally, I'm not at all impressed with the speeds I get.  Look at the previous benchmark!  My speeds are pretty lousy, which is why I now have a Synology DS209 for my main NAS.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: lizzi555 on April 04, 2010, 02:13:10 AM
Personally, I'm not at all impressed with the speeds I get.  Look at the previous benchmark!  My speeds are pretty lousy, which is why I now have a Synology DS209 for my main NAS.

My speeds are almost the same as yours for both NAS.
I would also like to know how they squeeze those high transfer values out of the DNS.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 04, 2010, 06:51:55 AM
I'm at a loss how they do it.  I have one clue, it could be my SOHO gigabit switches.  I also notice that my upload/download speeds to/from the Internet are affected by the switches.

I get this when I connect directly to my router with this computer.

(http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww264/gunrunnerjohn/SpeedTest35-35.jpg)

This is what I get when I connect through my gigabit switch, and I've tried three different switches with the same result.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/771383883.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

I'm thinking that something about these cheap switches is hammering my upload speeds, since that's the only variable.  I just wondering if I'm not seeing the same thing talking to the NAS boxes.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: ttwong on April 04, 2010, 10:24:30 AM
I've been searching for solutions for days and have not found any solutions.  I have my 323 connected to a Linksys WRT610 router, with Cat 6 cable.  I use to only get 7-8 MB/s upload speeds, downloads are about double that, but recently its gone down to about 100 KB/s.

I have two 1.5 TB 7000 rpm Seagate drives in a Raid 1 configuration, running Vista Ultimate 64 bit.  I'm also using the latest firmware on the 323.

Thinking that the drives were fragmented and/or had viruses, I backed it up and reformated the drives.  No change in speeds in Raid 1.  I then tried JBOD, Raid 0, and independant volumes...no change.

I then played with the settings, and when I went to Jumbo Frame 9000, and 100 MB instead of 1000 MB connection speed, my upload speed has gone up to 400 KB/s.

I'm so frustrated, I'm considering getting another NAS.  Any ideas?

Thanks,

Terrance
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 04, 2010, 12:14:40 PM
Well, 100mbit doesn't use jumbo frames, so those settings are mutually exclusive.  If you get more than about 10-11 mbytes/sec either way with 100mbit, something is wrong with the benchmark! :)

As I mentioned previously, I picked up a Synology DS209, my speeds are posted previously in this thread.
Quote
Running a 1000MB file write on drive I: 5 times...
Average (W):     25.07 MB/sec
Running a 1000MB file read on drive I: 5 times...
Average (R):     45.26 MB/sec
Conversely, for the same test with the DNS-323, same switch from the same system I get.
Quote
Running a 1000MB file write on drive J: 5 times...
Average (W):     10.27 MB/sec
Running a 1000MB file read on drive J: 5 times...
Average (R):     16.47 MB/sec

 I'd love to see the speeds others are reporting in these forums, but it's never happened.  I did get 13-14mbyte/sec upload speeds with a pair of 7200 RPM 500G drives in RAID-0 when I first got the DNS-323, and the read speeds were a bit faster as well.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: lizzi555 on April 04, 2010, 01:38:21 PM
@gunrunnerjohn

I don't think your switches slow down the speeds. Even a simple home giga switch should be capable of more than needed here.

I'm using DGS-1224T to connect my devices.

http://lizzi555.dyndns.org/Speed/Speedtest_en.html (http://lizzi555.dyndns.org/Speed/Speedtest_en.html)
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 04, 2010, 03:35:56 PM
Well, it's something about the handshake between the switch and the router port, that's for sure.  When I eliminate the switch, I get full speeds.

The router has a 100mbit connection and the switch has a gigabit connection.  I'm speculating that something about the buffering is not working correctly for the outgoing data in the gigabit to 100mbit transition, and it's having to repeat the transmission slowing things down.  I can't imagine much else having that effect since it's not there without the switch.  The odd part is the computer has a gigabit port and it has no problem properly interfacing with the 100mbit router port.

I don't know this has anything to do with the DNS-323 slow speeds, since the Synology DS209 right next to it has much faster speeds, that may be a whole different issue.  However, it's hard to blame the slow speeds on my system for the same reason!   ???
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: ttwong on April 05, 2010, 05:08:49 PM
After wasting 5 days of my life, I accidently came across the solution to my slow upload speed.  After initiallizing Internet Gateway Device, in my network properties, my upload speed is now up around 17 MB/s.  Hope someone will be able use this info.

Terrance
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 05, 2010, 05:13:28 PM
Hmm... Where do you see this Internet Gateway Device?
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: ttwong on April 06, 2010, 05:04:57 PM
Its an icon in my Network devices.  I did do a quick search on the net, and found that this enables my computer to communicate/share with other devices on my network.  The strange thing was, that I've obviously had this working before, and all of a suddenmy upload speeds crashed down to 300 KB/s.

For some reason, this icon disappeared...deleted by me? by windows or by Macafee?

Terrance
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 06, 2010, 07:30:15 PM
Must have been added by a 3rd party application, perhaps McAfee?
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: Spock83 on April 09, 2010, 01:04:57 AM
I have got:
* DNS-323 (fw 1.8)
* 2x 2TB Hitachi Enterprise edition (RAID1)
* DIR-825 (DD-WRT)

Upload to DNS-323 is average 10-13MB/s
Download is 15-18MB/s
For big files of course.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: m2k3423 on April 09, 2010, 01:26:05 AM
A better benchmark will be using iozone from www.iozone.org.

It simulates many read/write scenarios, not only with different file size, but different record-size per read/write, for sequential, random, reverse, buffered (fread, fwrite), create and re-read/re-write.

It also take into account the test machine main and cache memory size.

With this, you can see the effect of using a drive with 512 bytes sector and that with 4K sector.

Definitely a lot more objective.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: tedfroop on April 21, 2010, 07:49:38 PM
Running a 200MB file write on drive i: 5 times...

------------------------------
Average (W):     19.08 MB/sec
------------------------------
Running a 200MB file read on drive i: 5 times...

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Average (R):     28.1 MB/sec
------------------------------

2x 1.5Tb Seagate 7200.11 Raid 1 EXT2 Jumbo Frames.  

Not bad... considering I just added the drives and filled it with 700+ gig of video.  Streams to my O!Play perfectly, even while writing files.

Network switches are DGS-1005D 5 port D-Link Green switches.  I run my IPTV service through the network as well and when I first got the service I had some issues with dropouts.  I ended up getting 2 of the 1005D switches. No more dropouts even with 3 Desktop PC's, 1 Laptop, 3 Streaming Media boxes - 2 audio 1 video, 2 IPTV boxes, 2 wireless routers set up as AP's, and two DNS-323's all running on the same network.
 
The DGS-1005D and DGS-1008D switches are inexpensive and wicked fast.  It's amazing to me you don't hear more about them.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: vk on April 23, 2010, 12:54:18 PM
What kind of network card are you using while getting this throughput? Do you get similar speed from all of your desktops/laptop? I'm using a DGS-1008D with my DNS-323, as I mentioned in a different thread the speed I'm getting is not that good, for a matter of fact I have to force my DNS-323 to run at 100Mbps to get better throughput. I don't blame the switch though, I suspect it's some sort of compatibility issue with different NIC.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 24, 2010, 05:23:48 PM
Intel Q9550 quad-core 2.83ghz
8gb PC6400 RAM
EVGA nVidia nForce 780i SLI MCP motherboard
ATI HD4850 512mb video
Corsair Nova 128GB SSD
1TB data/archive drive
300 gig backup drive
Dual 19in LCD monitors
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit

Well, I have no idea how folks get these speeds.  I'm currently running 9k jumbo frames (I've tried 4k as well), and here's my configuration.  It would seem clear that my network is not the issue, see the speeds to the Windows machine as well as the Synology DS209, so why the disparity?  The times to the DNS-323 basically suck.

I've tried a number of different gigabit switches, D-Link, Netgear and TrendNet, all with the same results.  That removes the switch from my thinking...


Test to Windows 7 machine

Running warmup...
Running a 500MB file write on drive v: once...
------------------------------
Average (W):     91.47 MB/sec
------------------------------
Running a 500MB file read on drive v: once...
------------------------------
Average (R):     84.42 MB/sec
------------------------------


Test to Synology DS209

Running warmup...
Running a 500MB file write on drive y: once...
------------------------------
Average (W):     19.01 MB/sec
------------------------------
Running a 500MB file read on drive y: once...
------------------------------
Average (R):     39.5 MB/sec
------------------------------


Test to DNS-323, single drive, fresh EXT3 format

Running warmup...
Running a 500MB file write on drive w: once...
------------------------------
Average (W):     4.55 MB/sec
------------------------------
Running a 500MB file read on drive w: once...
------------------------------
Average (R):     7.26 MB/sec
------------------------------
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 25, 2010, 09:23:03 AM
Further tests seem to indicate for whatever reason jumbo frames simply aren't doing it for my environment.  I even connected the DNS-323 directly to one of the network connections on my machine to eliminate all the switches and other devices from that path, and the results were virtually identical with 4k jumbo frames.

The interesting thing is that all the devices seem to suffer from Jumbo frames.  I also swapped out switches to see if that had any effect, but nothing.  All my switches claim to handle jumbo frames, and since I tried three different ones in the path, I can only assume they aren't the issue.  For contrast, I ran the same tests against the Synology DS209, it also exhibits the same issues with jumbo frames.  Finally, I ran the tests against my DNS-321, and it consistently came in just below the DNS-323 numbers, which I expect with the slightly slower processor.


DNS-323

Jumbo Frames Disabled
Running warmup...
Running a 1000MB file write on drive y: once...
Average (W):     11.34 MB/sec
Running a 1000MB file read on drive y: once...
Average (R):     13.92 MB/sec

Jumbo Frames 4000
Running warmup...
Running a 1000MB file write on drive y: once...
Average (W):     7.78 MB/sec
Running a 1000MB file read on drive y: once...
Average (R):     12.97 MB/sec
---------- Different system running Vista 32-bit --------
Running warmup...
Running a 1000MB file write on drive y: once...
Average (W):     7.86 MB/sec
Running a 1000MB file read on drive y: once...
Average (R):     15.87 MB/sec

Jumbo frames 9000
Running warmup...
Running a 1000MB file write on drive y: once...
Average (W):     7.55 MB/sec
Running a 1000MB file read on drive y: once...
Average (R):     12.91 MB/sec



Synology DS209

Jumbo Frames Disabled
Running warmup...
Running a 1000MB file write on drive w: once...
Average (W):     33.34 MB/sec
Running a 1000MB file read on drive w: once...
Average (R):     64.9 MB/sec

Jumbo Frames 4000
Running warmup...
Running a 1000MB file write on drive w: once...
Average (W):     24.76 MB/sec
Running a 1000MB file read on drive w: once...
Average (R):     43.06 MB/sec

Jumbo frames 9000
Running warmup...
Running a 1000MB file write on drive y: once...
Average (W):     19.13 MB/sec
Running a 1000MB file read on drive y: once...
Average (R):     42.66 MB/sec
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: tedfroop on April 26, 2010, 06:14:20 AM
One thing I did notice while setting up was that the DNS-323 gives generic rounded off speeds for jumbo frames.  Just as an example, DNS says 9000, actual is 9014.  I am sure its the same at other speeds. 

If you google around a bit I am sure you can find the exact rates for other generalized speeds.  I am not sure why Dlink did this but it would be nice if they would fix it in their next firmware release.

I am running 790i board with dual onboard 10/100/1000 Nvidia network, and Windows 7 Home 64 bit.  One thing I have noticed with Windows 7 is that file transfer speeds are up all around, on everything.  I am not sure as to why but I believe it is due to the processor and OS being multi threaded aware.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 26, 2010, 06:18:59 AM
Well, I run Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit with a quad-core and 8gigs of memory, so I can't see my system being the bottleneck.

I'm beginning to suspect the NIC, I may invest in a PCIEX NIC and see if that changes things.  Maybe the on-board NICs are not getting it done.

Since I can get speeds of 80-90 mbytes/sec to other Windows 7 machines, it's hard to believe it's a simple issue...
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: tedfroop on April 26, 2010, 12:40:33 PM
Our hardware sounds pretty similar Gun Runner.  I doubt there is much difference in the nic on either of our boards.

I would really check the frame size on both ends.  If the frame size does not match exactly the processor loads up because it has to translate the frames to smaller frame size - not like its talking to a 100 speed network but more like it sends, the receiving end sends it back because it can't understand what it was sent, the nic translates to smaller size and sends again, more than doubling traffic.
 
I found this out when I was transferring large amounts of data (90 gig) to my dns from my linux box.  I went to jumbo frames and it slowed down my transfer.  Did some research and set up my Windows box and did a 21 gig transfer at more than twice the speed.

I am not at home but I will update my post with the exact size I am using when I get home.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 26, 2010, 12:47:29 PM
How are you configuring "exact sizes"?  I get a limited number of choices when configuring any of the boxes.  For instance, if I want 4k frames, Windows allows me to choose 1514, 2514, 4514, or 9014 in the NIC properties.  The DNS-323 allows 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000, 9000.  Hard to make an exact match there. :)
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: tedfroop on April 26, 2010, 03:13:09 PM
Thats what I meant - 9014 under the nic properties.  That was all I needed besides setting the dns and away I went.

Is it possible your router or something that's 100 speed is routing traffic?  Is your DHCP server gigabit and jumbo frames capable?

Do you use a Hosts file?  (C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc)  Try adding your dns's address and name there  (Yes - I use one.)
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 26, 2010, 03:47:50 PM
My router is 100mbit, however everything is connected to gigabit switches.  The DHCP server is the router, but has no bearing on jumbo frames.  Since I get much faster speeds to other devices, it's obvious that I'm getting gigabit transfers.  It's curious that jumbo frames slow things down, that would seem to suggest they're not really working and I'm getting retransmissions.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: tedfroop on April 26, 2010, 07:12:02 PM
That's exactly what it sounds like.  Could be your pc is asking your dhcp server for the route to get to your NAS, as soon as that 100 device is involved - that sets the speed limit?

I would try a hosts file.  It tells your pc the address and name of the device so it doesn't have to ask where it is.
When you open the file there are examples of addresses.  Add the name and address of your device like this:

        128.100.3.23     MyNas

Save and try it. Because of the limitations of home networks and their lack of file servers and routers to direct traffic I have used hosts files at home ever since I had more than 1 pc.













Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 27, 2010, 05:12:41 AM
The DHCP server has no say in the link speed, that is set between the two devices.  Clearly, the DHCP server isn't limiting the speed to 100mbit, because transactions between computers that are dynamically assigned go like the wind, and are certainly not limited to 100mbits.  Also, the main machine and all the NAS boxes are statically allocated, so they don't even bother with the DHCP server for their assignments in any case.


Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: fordem on April 27, 2010, 05:57:03 AM
That's exactly what it sounds like.  Could be your pc is asking your dhcp server for the route to get to your NAS, as soon as that 100 device is involved - that sets the speed limit?

I would try a hosts file.  It tells your pc the address and name of the device so it doesn't have to ask where it is.
When you open the file there are examples of addresses.  Add the name and address of your device like this:

        128.100.3.23     MyNas

Save and try it. Because of the limitations of home networks and their lack of file servers and routers to direct traffic I have used hosts files at home ever since I had more than 1 pc.
Strictly speaking there is no "routing" involved in communications between hosts on the same network and a router is not required to "direct" traffic - all you need is a hub or switch to act as a connection point (or concentrator).

In the days "prior to the internet" networks existed with routers, which are only required when you need to connect one or more networks together.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: tedfroop on April 28, 2010, 04:24:29 PM
So  if you just use a hub or a switch how do the hosts find each other?

Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 28, 2010, 05:32:18 PM
If you have fixed IP addresses, (which I tested), they just have to be in the same subnet.  It finds it just fine, just goes slow as snot! :D
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: fordem on April 28, 2010, 05:55:08 PM
So  if you just use a hub or a switch how do the hosts find each other?
Are you doubting that it works or are you asking for an explanation of the protocols involved?

If it's the first - try this - set static ip addresses on your DNS-323 and on a PC and then plug the DNS-323 directly into the ethernet port on the PC - no hub, no switch and no router.

Open a command prompt on the PC and ping the DNS-323 at the static address you assigned to it, it will respond - open a web browser and enter the ip address and the admin web page will come up - open  explorer and map a drive to the DNS-323 using UNC (Uniform Naming Convention - \\ipaddress\share) syntax and you'll be able to access your files.

Trust me on this - twenty years ago, before Al Gore invented the internet  ;) networks were built with coax cable strung from one PC to the next to the next to the next and so on and so forth, and they all found one another with no hubs, no switches and believe it or not - no routers and no tcp/ip.

Fast forward to today, most people have heard of the internet, many of them have routers, and everything runs over tcp/ip - but you know what - if you're using an ethernet LAN, it still runs over the same basic protocols that Bob Metcalfe invented back in 1973, and a router is not required for two computers on the same LAN to "find" one another.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: fordem on April 28, 2010, 06:02:01 PM
If you have fixed IP addresses, (which I tested), they just have to be in the same subnet.  It finds it just fine, just goes slow as snot! :D


C'mon - you KNEW it would work - you HAD to know that - you've been in this business long enough to know.

And by the way - that slow as snot - that's something peculiar to your system, because I can run gigabit & jumbo frame over a direct wire connection and turn in the kind of speeds you see in the composite I posted earlier in the thread.

In fact, my first jumbo frame tests were done that way, because I didn't own a switch that supported jumbo frame, and wanted to see for myself if it was worth going out to buy a switch that did.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on April 29, 2010, 05:33:19 AM
C'mon - you KNEW it would work - you HAD to know that - you've been in this business long enough to know.
Of course I knew it would work.

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And by the way - that slow as snot - that's something peculiar to your system, because I can run gigabit & jumbo frame over a direct wire connection and turn in the kind of speeds you see in the composite I posted earlier in the thread.
I don't doubt it, but I can't even begin to imagine what is causing the issue.  ???
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In fact, my first jumbo frame tests were done that way, because I didn't own a switch that supported jumbo frame, and wanted to see for myself if it was worth going out to buy a switch that did.
I made sure all the switches did jumbo frames.  The odd part is that at one point, I was getting better speeds from the boxes, and I can't imagine what changed to screw up jumbo frames.  The fact that even the Synology DS-209 slows down with jumbo frames convinces me that particular issue isn't the DNS-323.  However, I get transfers of 80-90mbytes/sec to other Windows boxes, so clearly it works some of the time.  One day I'll trip over the reason and feel stupid. :)
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: vk on April 30, 2010, 03:12:49 PM
On my netbook running Win7 with gigabit NIC this tool reports average 15MB/s write and 18MB/s read, however the actual transfer speed as reported by windows explorer is only around 6MB/s write and 8MB/s read. What's the catch?
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: vk on April 30, 2010, 08:59:13 PM
Never mind, it turns out what Nastester reports is actually correct, on my netbook (HP mininote 2133) the bottle neck for network transfer speed is actually visual effect, after I disabled "Animate controls and elements inside windows" under "Performance Options\Visual Effects" the read speed from my DNS-323 shoots up to a stable 17~18MB/s... now I call it gigabit   :D
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on May 01, 2010, 03:08:30 PM
Well, I did a few tests here again with EXT2 filesystem on a bare freshly formatted drive.  For reasons I'll never understand, I still can't seem to get jumbo frames to work anymore.  Something has certainly changed, but I have the same computer, switches, and DNS-323 version, so I'm at a loss as to what it is!  Since I also have an oddity with my router and this computer, I'm going to pick up an Intel PCI-EX NIC and see if the on-board NICs are part of the issue.

You can also see the impact that EXT2 vs. EXT3 has for a single drive configuration.


Jumbo frames 9000
Running a 500MB file write on drive z: once...
Average (W):     9.32 MB/sec
Running a 500MB file read on drive z: once...
Average (R):     13.87 MB/sec

Jumbo frames 4000
Running a 500MB file write on drive z: once...
Average (W):     9.16 MB/sec
Running a 500MB file read on drive z: once...
Average (R):     13.6 MB/sec

Jumbo frames disabled
Running a 500MB file write on drive z: once...
Average (W):     15 MB/sec
Running a 500MB file read on drive z: once...
Average (R):     14.66 MB/sec

Jumbo frames disabled with the EXT3 disk back in
Running a 500MB file write on drive z: once...
Average (W):     11.63 MB/sec
Running a 500MB file read on drive z: once...
Average (R):     13.62 MB/sec
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: tedfroop on May 03, 2010, 10:27:49 AM
I would also go to Nvidia and pick up the new nic drivers released 3/15/10.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on May 03, 2010, 08:12:00 PM
I may take a look at those as well. :)
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: jamieburchell on May 06, 2010, 06:03:31 AM
Would you say it was reasonable that syncing 125,000 files @ ~18Gb would take just under 4 hours from a laptop with a SATAII disk (5,400rpm) over Gigabit ethernet direct to the DNS-323 with 2 500Gb 7,200rpm drives in RAID1 configuration? No jumbo frames.

Much slower than doing the same over USB2 to a NTFS disk and USB is presumably capable of only 300Mbps.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on May 06, 2010, 10:44:49 AM
1.25mbytes/sec?  Unless they're really small files, that seems pretty slow.  I know this thing is pretty slow with small files...
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: jamieburchell on May 06, 2010, 02:12:48 PM
I noticed a slow down backing up my laptop after I started using SVN repos on it. Now I've got lots of small files/folders (.svn) in every folder I'm backing up. So that fits with what is being said.

Copying large files is generally very quick.

I thought it might have been because I was doing it over wireless with a 2.5Ghz adapter (150Mbps) rather than the 5Ghz (300Mbps) one I was using previously. Don't think so though, still slow using a direct gigabit ethernet connection.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on May 06, 2010, 03:20:38 PM
Well, SMB protocol over wireless connections is very slow anyway, there's a lot of back traffic, and the link is half-duplex.  I never expect any decent file sharing speed from a wireless connection.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: jamieburchell on May 07, 2010, 01:42:54 AM
It wasn't too bad over wireless n before all these small files appeared :)

I take it you would rate your Synology... looks good. Bit expensive though. I like my DNS-323, just a bit slow to backup my laptop. Perhaps I should look at an alternative method for doing it. The appeal of running robocopy every now and then is that the drives in the NAS aren't on all the time mirroring what's on the laptop. Anyway, sorry for hi-jacking your post OP.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on May 07, 2010, 05:50:24 AM
Love the Synology DS209, it has blazing network speeds and tons of options.  Of course, it's also twice the price of the DNS-323 for an empty case.  I see the DNS-323 for at little as $134, the Synology DS209 set me back $299.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: garyhgaryh on May 07, 2010, 11:08:14 PM
I'm waiting for the synology since the beg of the year to go on sale, but they never do.
I love the fact you can use it with IP Cameras.

The DNS-321/323 are slow.  I get between 8-18MB/s.
Gary
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on May 08, 2010, 07:36:30 AM
I recommend the Synology DS209, you won't be disappointed. :)  I also wished for a sale, but never got one.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: jamieburchell on May 08, 2010, 09:02:33 AM
A driveless Synology DS210J comes in at 159.89 vs. 144.43 for a DNS-323

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopSearch.asp?CategoryID=544

Different model to yours?
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on May 08, 2010, 09:11:06 AM
It's apparently a newer but lower performance model from the info I have.  Still a lot faster than the DNS-323... :)

From this review: http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/review-synology-ds210j-network-attached-storage-device-2010028/ (http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/review-synology-ds210j-network-attached-storage-device-2010028/)

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Dont forget though that the j models are not just a follow-up to the previous offerings, they are a budget-friendly consumer version. This means that relative to the older DS209 the DS210j has half the RAM (128MB vs. 256MB) and a slower clock speed (800MHz vs. 1.2GHz) which means slower performance and limitations on features like the number of supported surveillance cameras and maximum user accounts.

Read more: http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/review-synology-ds210j-network-attached-storage-device-2010028/#ixzz0nM4Hre1T
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: jamieburchell on May 08, 2010, 09:15:45 AM
It does look good, but to be honest I probably would use a fraction of the features. I don't use most on the DNS-323 (print server, bit torrent, etc.)

I see it has a few USB ports and an ability to copy data FROM a source TO the NAS -- I'd want that the other way round...
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on May 08, 2010, 09:48:30 AM
Well, with the Synology DS209, you can connect USB drives and access them for read/write.  It will also handle NTFS USB drives, but the writing is pretty slow, about 6mbytes/sec.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: jamieburchell on May 08, 2010, 11:56:37 AM
You presumably can't copy data from NAS to USB without going via the network then.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: gunrunnerjohn on May 08, 2010, 12:38:33 PM
Actually, I believe you can do backups to it, but I haven't explored those options yet.
Title: Re: Post your DNS-323 speed with Nastester 0.4
Post by: nightshocker on May 10, 2010, 11:39:39 AM
windows XP SP3
Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC
DIR-655
CAT5e cable

Running warmup...
Running a 200MB file write on drive x: 5 times...

Average (W):     16.49 MB/sec
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Running a 200MB file read on drive x: 5 times...

Average (R):     19.43 MB/sec
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Running warmup...
Running a 1000MB file write on drive x: 5 times...

Average (W):     16.45 MB/sec
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Running a 1000MB file read on drive x: 5 times...

Average (R):     21.29 MB/sec
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wow my other test was only at 18 this is better. read speed