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Title: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 26, 2013, 04:47:33 PM
Okay So I seen they`re on NewEgg for 44.95 as a referb, Never owned D-Link in the past really, Just Linksys/Cisco, Netgear(Which I Hate) ASUS and so fourth. My Fav so Far is the Asus RT-56u which I sold, But thinking about buying again after having a bad experiences with my RT-N66u.

Well anyways I Thought about maybe buying this as I like the looks and GUI and settings of D-Link, I`ll have about 25 devices connected at once, and about 3 of those would be via wireless the rest will be through a switch.  But Can the 4500 handle that? I`ve seen a LOT of posting about Wireless Drop outs and slow downs and such, Should I go with the Older DGL-4500 ? Back to the ASUS RT-N16, or RT-N56u, OR a different D-Link Product I like the Menus and stuff on Dlinks but so many issues ive read about.

I`d like to order by tonight to hopefully have it by the weekend. Thanks
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 26, 2013, 05:04:30 PM
25 devices should be no problem. Just be aware that Mac Filtering is limited by 24 rules only and can't be changed. Also be aware that the 4500 is a dual band WiFi however it only does either 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz at a time. Not both simultaneously. So if most of your devices are mixed with supporting either radio, you'll only be able use one or the other. Also this router does not support IPv6 and won't in the future.

Over all, this router is a rock solid router and great for general purposes and gaming.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 26, 2013, 05:20:43 PM
Thanks for getting back to me.  Don`t really care for Mac Filtering nor the 5Ghz only the Mobile devices have it, and a very old Wireless A Card in a computer so 5ghz wont get used. I just want a router that does a GREAT job at routing lol I`m gonna buy it I guess and report back in a few days when it gets here.  I have a 25meg connection

EDIT: I see something that might make me not buy it. Its CPU is only 275mhz?? That is a bit slow. I had an OLD WRT54 with a 250mhz cpu and with my connection When running DD-wrt or Tomato its CPU goes to 100%

How are the newer D-Link routers compaired to the DGL-4500.?
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 26, 2013, 05:22:32 PM
Awesome, I just had one of my 4500's online as the main host router just last week for a couple of week for testing. Router is a great router. Had a good time gaming and such. I have a 50/2 ISP service here.

I think you'll enjoy it.

Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 26, 2013, 05:24:10 PM
EDIT: I see something that might make me not buy it. Its CPU is only 275mhz?? That is a bit slow. I had an OLD WRT54 with a 250mhz cpu and with my connection When running DD-wrt or Tomato its CPU goes to 100%

How are the newer D-Link routers compaired to the DGL-4500.?
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 26, 2013, 05:28:18 PM
I presume they are newer and faster since the 4500 came out in 06 time frame:
I also have this router as well:
http://www.foxnetwork.ru/index.php/en/component/content/article/124-d-link-dir-857.html (http://www.foxnetwork.ru/index.php/en/component/content/article/124-d-link-dir-857.html)

http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=51380.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=51380.0)

The 4500 is a durable and fast enough router. Not sure what your network needs are aside the amount of devices being connected...
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 26, 2013, 05:29:11 PM
For $45 bucks, thats a good deal anyways...can upgrade later on if you need too...
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 26, 2013, 07:09:48 PM
Grr Still Trying to deside I have all these tabs open haha
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 27, 2013, 07:03:21 AM
Let us know what you decide to go with.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 27, 2013, 11:18:04 AM
I`m between the DGL-4500 or the ASUS RT-N16
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 27, 2013, 11:27:55 AM
Ya, the N16 is similar to the DIR-825. The N16 has simultaneous WiFi where the 4500 doesn't.  ::)

The DIR-825 is a great router too. Atheros 9132, 400MHz

Just loaned my out to my gaming buddy down the road.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: Hard Harry on March 28, 2013, 10:13:37 AM
Thats a tough call. If you can find a DIR-825 C1 at 45$ then grab it. But if your comparing a refurbished, non C1 DIR-825 to a brand new RT-N16U then go with the RT-N16U. If your going to flash 3rd party firmware, then go with the RT-N16U, no contest. Also, take note, the USB isn't that much of a issue because you can always use a USB hub,  you will just get less throughput.

DIR-825 C1 (http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/d-link/dir-825) 75$ @ Newegg
CPU: 560Mhz
RAM: 128MB
Flash: 16MB
Wireless: 2.4 OR 5Ghz but 600Mbps max rate.
Pro: Faster CPU, better support, cheaper.
Con: Less UI features

RT-N16U (http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Asus_RT-N16) 88$ @ Newegg
CPU: 480Mhz
RAM: 128MB
Flash: 32MB
Wireless: 2.4hz AND 5Ghz max 300Mbps rate.
Pro:2 USB, better 3rd party support, 3x2dBi vs only 2X2dBi=hyperthetical greater range. Cloud, torrent downloader and some other features.
Con: UI is more complex.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: Hard Harry on March 28, 2013, 10:22:14 AM
By the way, what bad experiance did you have with the RT-N66U? Did you get one of the early models? First ones to roll off the line basically had broken firmware. Like would not work AT ALL broken. Within about 2 weeks though they had a new firmware and pulled alot of inventory from their vendors to replace it with the new ones. Huge mistake on Asus part, but atleast they fixed it quick and I believe it's the best consumer router on the market IMHO.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 11:44:11 AM
Should be able to find a Rev B DIR-825 on Amazon or fleabay.  ::)
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 12:56:16 PM
Or just buck up and get you one of these: ;D
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=14472.msg202414#msg202414 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=14472.msg202414#msg202414)
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 05:33:20 PM
The RT-66u had issues with WAN connection with DD-WRT,Tomato, And STOCK lol it sucked!

I`ve had a Dlink 825 before and had slow down issue which required to me reboot it on both stock and DD-WRT and it was a brand new one that was about 7 months ago.

I thought about a 655 or how well is the 865l? since its on sale?

I placed an order last night for an RT-N56u which I had the best luck with before, But still have dlink on my mind haha.

Also dont need USB ports I know they are always slow it would kill me haha, I have a Windows Server which also acts as a file server.

I really WANT the DGL-4500 but im worried about the slow CPU 275mhz but not sure cause Ubicom is supposed to be good but I DO have a lot of network load.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 05:44:52 PM
You still have the 825 or was it returned. I've enjoyed my 825 Rev B. Very zippy.

Both 655 and 865L routers are great routers. The 655 is only 2.4Ghz and is getting old too. Not sure how much longer it will be current.

I've been enjoying the 865L when I have it online. I'm currently testing the 826L, and must say I'm impressed. Great follow on to the 825. Others are currently enjoying the 865L as well.

What is your network load like? I mostly gaming with 2 xboxes and do normal internet stuff. Not much router load here so not sure if i'm a good comparison.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 05:51:51 PM
About 25 LAN and 3 or 4 WiFi, 5ghz is no biggie only phones connect to it lol, I do a lot of torrenting, and have a media streaming PC so lot of local lan transfers

I sold the 825.

For some weird reason I`m really wanting to try the DGL-4500 But I`m afraid I`ll have too many problems.

I just want a GOOD Routing Performance Router That will Work without having to touch it, I used to like DD-WRT but not really needed anymore.


Okay Here is My List Currently just Cancelled my Other Order Amazon is slow anyway.

DIR-655 Its on sale for an Openbox for $26 on NewEgg:D
DIR-825
DGL-4500

So what Should I go for.

I just want a router that can Route VERY good no Youtube Buffering and such, Right now using an Older Netgear WNR1000 its Terrible I can get my full speed but pages and youtube are horrible.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 06:06:01 PM
Well ONE thing you should really do, specially if you do lots of Local LAN side xfers, get you a external Gb Network switch to put after the router then connect your LAN wired devices to it. This will help you eliminate un-necessary router processing and keep those file xfers separate and give more of a direct connection between the LAN side wired devices.

Then for your torrents, connect that PC directly to the back of the router if you want to.

I think if you do this this will help ease your router load and maybe the 4500 would be a good router for you. This is the same setup I use. I have a boxee box that streams directly from my file server connected via switch. Then xbox consoles are directly connected to the router for un-interrupted gaming.

Would look like this:
ISP Modem>DLink router>External Network Switch<>Wired LAN clients connected to switch.
                                 >Other wired LAN client(s) connected directly to back of router if needed.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: Hard Harry on March 28, 2013, 06:07:14 PM
If you had all those issues my guess would be you either got a defective unit or there was a problem outside of the router. But what ever, of those choices I would say the DIR-825. All of those can't hold a candle to the RT-N66U though. Ask on any DD-WRT forum. ::shrug::
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 06:14:04 PM
Well ONE thing you should really do, specially if you do lots of Local LAN side xfers, get you a external Gb Network switch to put after the router then connect your LAN wired devices to it. This will help you eliminate un-necessary router processing and keep those file xfers separate and give more of a direct connection between the LAN side wired devices.

Then for your torrents, connect that PC directly to the back of the router if you want to.

I think if you do this this will help ease your router load and maybe the 4500 would be a good router for you. This is the same setup I use. I have a boxee box that streams directly from my file server connected via switch. Then xbox consoles are directly connected to the router for un-interrupted gaming.

Would look like this:
ISP Modem>DLink router>External Network Switch<>Wired LAN clients connected to switch.
                                 >Other wired LAN client(s) connected directly to back of router if needed.

Ive actualy been curios about this.. I usually use the first 3 ports for the main stuff Server, My main Computer, And Media PC for TV, then 4th port for switch. So I should just use my Switch does that really help? I thought it would still have to pass back through the router first.

So Would it be worth anything to get the DIR-826L or DGL-4500?

Also its not an connection issue outside the router. I have a Perfect Connection to the Cable Company and I`m the only one besides the few workers there that are on the DOSIS3 streams everyone else is on 1 stream and I`m on 4 streams, Its a local cable company. The wan drops on the ASUS for some reason when it says the lease exspires but I have a STATIC IP so it never changes nor exspires never happend on any other router before.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 06:19:12 PM
Ya man, think about it, you'll still get internet and data back and forth from the router when needed however when doing lots of file xfers, why not go a more direct route with out any router processing. USE your switch man. You'll see a difference between those wired devices.

Up to you man, The 4500 is a great router and so is the 825. The 4500 no longer being developed on. Really, doesn't need anything else. LOL, if your ok with just using 2.4Ghz and don't have a need for 5ghz and IPv6, then 4500 is good. The 825 is a bit more flexible as it can do both radios at the same time and does have support for IPv6.

Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 06:23:50 PM
What model and mfr is the ISP modem?

If your on cable, make sure the cable line going into the ISP modem is in good working condition and there isn't any t.v. line splitters before the modem. These can reduce signal or cause noise on the line.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 06:28:59 PM
SB6121

No TV just internet, (There Lineup sucks haha) It runs directly outside to the power line no spltter I wanted to make direct connection.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 06:31:14 PM
Awesome modem. You should be good there.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: Hard Harry on March 28, 2013, 06:40:17 PM
Ive actualy been curios about this.. I usually use the first 3 ports for the main stuff Server, My main Computer, And Media PC for TV, then 4th port for switch. So I should just use my Switch does that really help? I thought it would still have to pass back through the router first.

So Would it be worth anything to get the DIR-826L or DGL-4500?

Also its not an connection issue outside the router. I have a Perfect Connection to the Cable Company and I`m the only one besides the few workers there that are on the DOSIS3 streams everyone else is on 1 stream and I`m on 4 streams, Its a local cable company. The wan drops on the ASUS for some reason when it says the lease exspires but I have a STATIC IP so it never changes nor exspires never happend on any other router before.

Sounds like you might have had the A1 version. Did you buy it right when it came out? Anyway, Im not dogging on Dlink. For the price point your going for Dlink is pretty much head of the class. Just saying your comparing a 160$ router to a 60$ router..and 2 which are over 2 years old. Take that under consideration when setting performance expectations.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 06:49:23 PM
The 825 was not too long ago and the RT-N66u was a few days ago it got sent back next day lol it was Terrible for me I know it was prob a dud but 169 for a router is a lot.

So Grrr Between the 826L or DGL-4500
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 07:12:49 PM
@FurryNutz if someone gave you a 826L for free would you use it as your main router or still keep your DGL-4500?
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 07:42:12 PM
both.  ;D
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 07:43:20 PM
Yes, I would use the 826L as my main router and the 4500 in wired AP mode.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 08:02:09 PM
I keep clicking back and fourth between the two! haha. How well is the QOS on the 826L?

I seen it on New Egg for 75 but on amazon some used ones for 40
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 08:25:52 PM
Been playing XBL witn 2 xboxes on BO2. Solid.

If you go with the 826L, do not install v1.03 FW.  :-\ v1.02 is solid. My co worker just got one. Loves it.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 08:35:00 PM
Another item that the 826L has is more UPLink speed selections in the QoS section.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 08:37:57 PM
If the Routing is Good I`ll go with the 826L . QOS upload 2mb is fine thats what I have. The reason Why I need QOS is a Do a lot of File uploads several GB`s in size and also YouTube uploading cant slow down the VOIP or Other things:D

Would you happen to know what kind of CPU is in the 826L?

I found a Used 826L on amazon for $42 would it be best for that compaired to the 4500 that is 45?
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: Hard Harry on March 28, 2013, 09:03:04 PM
Uses the RT6856 clocked at 700Mhz.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 09:08:23 PM
there you go..
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 09:09:47 PM
Gosh that seems way over powered haha, Fastest CPU ive had was 680 which it was a netgear never cared for them
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 09:23:32 PM
Gosh is it bad that its taking me this long to deside?  :-\
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 09:46:05 PM
Would you recommend something more than the DGL or 826L? or are the others like the 836L, DIR-827? tell me and I`ll buy right now! :o  Whatever you tell me I`ll order it right now! and I`ll show proof! haha
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 09:55:39 PM
The 836L is just like the 826 however it does has faster WiFi connections. So if you don't have any devices that support the 450Mb WiFi, then it would not be used until such time when you got a device that could. I presume the CPU is about the same, just the Wifi is different.

You can see the table picture graphic of an overview of what each L model router does. Even though it's not mentioned that the 826L is ideal for gaming, it seems to be and works well.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 10:14:57 PM
Nope no 450mb wifi. So which one should i get? 826l,836l, or DIR-827 Which is better of all of them which would you choose? and I`ll buy it ;D
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2013, 10:26:22 PM
Go for the 826L and you'll be good to go. Even though you don't have any devices that use the 5 Ghz radio, you'll be future proofed for when you do.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 10:31:54 PM
Okay I just hope it's a router il get to keep most I end up getting issues or something. Ordering now. Thanks!
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 28, 2013, 11:03:02 PM
How about the dir 627 is the 826 still better?
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: Hard Harry on March 29, 2013, 12:01:45 AM
Okay I just hope it's a router il get to keep most I end up getting issues or something. Ordering now. Thanks!

No router will work perfectly out of the box. It just can't, they are not designed to. What I mean by that is they are configured by default to be as widely compatible as possible to save on call volume for people calling in because it doesn't work. So by definition, widely compatible is never going to be perfectly specific to your network needs. Its like buying a "one size fits all" suit and thinking it will be tailored. If your asking for personal preference I would go with the DIR-627 but thats because I hate internal antenna. I just see no point.  However your personal needs and preferences may be different.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 29, 2013, 12:07:32 AM
Ijust ordered an 826L will be here TUESDAY afternoon wish it would come monday cause thats when im going back home.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 29, 2013, 07:05:58 AM
DIR-627?  ???

The new canister antenna configuration have proven to be a better than the 1st generation internal antenna since it better provides a 360 degree signal broadcast now.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: Hard Harry on March 29, 2013, 01:24:37 PM
Not saying your wrong, but could you quote your source? Most external antenna are Omnidirectional so form a spherical donut shape with a void directly above and directly below. Most in internal antenna are PCB types so vary depending on the antenna design. My main reason I don't like internal is any antenna inside the router will work better outside the router. Also, with external you can repair/upgrade them to high gain. I think the main reason manufactures are switching to internal is because PCB is alot cheaper then those with external and PCB allows for beam forming tech. Beam forming, if implemented wrong, can cause all kinda of problems though. Just ask the DIR-657.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 29, 2013, 01:32:32 PM
I do agree with some aspects of what you respond with, ya it's nice to have the ability to upgrade to high gain 3rd party antenna. However I presume that being a home and small office portion of the market, I presume that marketing for the internal routers and maybe the ease in design, development, mfrg and use makes having internal antenna a better option in some cases. Some cases.  ::)

Beam forming tech in the 657? I don't remember that being apart of the 657 series. Could you be referring to the 645?
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=51380.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=51380.0)

I believe the 657, 827 and 857 are all using the similar internal antenna flat form technology which is different from the 645's internal antenna configuration. I think the 645s antenna configuration is a definite improvement over the flat based internal antenna of the other Amplify series routers.
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 30, 2013, 12:22:08 PM
So I bought a DGL-4500 last night  ::) Someone said they would buy it from me for $90 so I get to play with it for a day or two then sell it and make money  :o  :D  But I`ll most likely be sticking with the 826L Just waiting for Tuesday to come:)
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: FurryNutz on March 30, 2013, 12:24:26 PM
Kewl. At least you'll get to test it out.

You notice this? http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=40862.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=40862.0)
Title: Re: Thinking about buying one
Post by: hyelton on March 30, 2013, 12:29:58 PM
The NewEgg Sale? Yea I`ve had that Tab up for like 2 weeks now  ;D haha been deciding on it heavily til I ordered the 826L