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Title: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 Slim capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on July 23, 2012, 11:56:45 AM
Anyone have an xbox 360 slim connected via the internal wireless card?  For some reason mine only gets 11Mbps.

I doubt many folks use the Windows Media Center extender as I do, but streaming hi-def requires a fair amount of bandwidth.  I have a DLINK DIR-827 capable of 300Mbps on both the 2.4 and 5 Ghz spectrum.  It reports actual Mbps connection rate and signal strength through it's browser interface.  It shows 11 Mbps and 96% on the 2.4 Ghz band for the xbox internal card.  To validate these numbers, I used the network tuner in windows media center and pegged the graph at about the 3rd line up.  There are 11 lines.

First off, this is a pretty technical question, but I have a feeling I already know the sad answer.  I've been searching for the hardware specifications of the internal Xbox 360 S Wireless card.  The best I can find is wikipedia which says only that it is "Wireless N" and operates only on the 2.4Ghz band.  Calling up tech support doesn't give any more info.

Hypothesis:  Microsoft elected to fabricate the cheapest internal wireless N card they could find and strapped a wireless n radio onto a cheap 11Mbps chip.

Wishful Thinking: I'm hoping the cap is actually higher and that my router is just dumbing down the connection due to a configuration mismatch.  I've tried open security, changing channels and moving the xbox 2 feet away from the router.  There are significant "advanced" settings I can use and the Firmware is still new so there may be a  few bugs left.  (1.02).  Anyone have any connection ideas?  I know the easy answer is to buy an external card or hard wire.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on July 23, 2012, 12:16:09 PM
The new gen xbox slims only do about 65Mb. I had a roommate with one and we could only get 65Mb out of it on a DIR-657 Wireless on single mode N using AES only for security. From what I know, the slims max out about there. I don't think I've seen on at 130Mb. There maybe some.

I personally use the MS xbox 5Ghz WiFi adapter they put out years ago for my old gen 360 and I connect at 300Mb on my DGL-4500 in AP mode. Another option for you to consider would be to get you a DAP-1533, or 1525 and run it in bridge mode. Wire connect the LAN cable from the DAP to the xbox slim. I would use the 5Ghz single mode N on the 857. This in effect upgrades the wireless connection on the slim to a 5Ghz wireless using the DAP as the bridge and wireless connection.

Preferred method for most gaming is just wired LAN between the router and xbox.

Let us know what you think.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on July 23, 2012, 12:34:09 PM
Awesome.  Thanks for the quick reply.  I've actually been running the old 360 with a linksys WET 610 and I get 300 with that little guy too.  Interesting that you got 65 with the slim.  I literally can't get it to go over 11... 2 feet away.  It's locked in for some reason.  The media center "network tuner" gives you a real time graph so you could see it bounce around if there was interference like a phone call or the microwave, but this sucker is pegged at 11.  All my other stuff is rock solid.  I threw the 610 on it over the wired port and maxed out the tuner graph so it's definitely something with the internal card.  Maybe the fall update will have a firmware update for the 360.  Advance wireless didn't seem to have any magic options for the connection rate.

Got any other buddies with a slim?
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on July 23, 2012, 12:36:48 PM
Try this as a test and see if you can get over 11Mb on the slim:
Try single mode N or mixed G and N on 2.4Ghz.
Channel Width set for Auto 20/40Mhz.
Try setting a manual channel to a open or unused channel. 1, 6 or 11. 11 for single mode N if the channel is clear.
Preferred security is WPA-Personal. WPA2/AES Only.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on July 23, 2012, 01:42:04 PM
Great recommendations!  Already done.  Still 11.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on July 23, 2012, 01:46:52 PM
I would say your wireless adapter on the slim is borked. I would get it fixed, replaced or try a DLink DAP as a alternative.  Or go wired.  ;D Let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on July 23, 2012, 03:57:34 PM
Easy enough.  Allibaba has them straight from China for 20 bucks.  But that would be too easy :)  The plot thickens.  I hooked up my old DIR-655 and did checked the connection rate there.  2 feet away and 92% and 39Mbps.  I'll report back at the 15 foot/2nd floor check.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on July 23, 2012, 04:10:00 PM
Ha... even better.  Downstairs (next to the 827) was 68% with the same 39Mbps.  Looks like there's definitely a compatibility issue with the DIR-827.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Patrick533 on July 23, 2012, 07:14:17 PM
Xbox 360's are the pits, I finally kicked the Xboxs off the WiFi all together. Make sure you have short GI disabled or it will be hit and miss with the 360 slim.

I finally ran CAT6 out to my kids, then the whole Xbox 360 fried AGAIN. He is on something like #5 and me and Mom won't put out a dime for another one ever again.

I got stuff here that has vacuum tubes in it and the stuff still works perfect, 5 xboxs in like 6 years. They rape you on the games and a new console every 14 months!

Short GI was always the problem with the WiFi on the slim, before it blew chunks!

Hope that helps......
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on July 24, 2012, 04:07:55 AM
Great recommendation!  I saw that too.  Disabled and no luck.  Still pegged at 11.  The connection is solid and reliable, it's just capped for some reason.  Not enough throughput for hi-def streaming.  I checked with the old 655 and maxed out the windows media center graph... perfect streaming capability.  Not bad for a router I bought in 08.  Of course this is my 5th 360... ha.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on July 24, 2012, 07:09:19 AM
Try a wireless adapter on the xbox, will fix it's wireless problem. I played for about 3 hours on my adapter last night, had fun. 300Mb @5Ghz.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on August 02, 2012, 08:38:04 PM
Been running all week with the DIR 655.  Perfect streaming at 65 mbps.  No need for an external adapter.  Anyone know how to bring the issue/bug to the firmware development team?  Seems like it could be fixed in a later DIR 827 firmware release.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on August 02, 2012, 10:14:04 PM
Might only be a HW issue with the router if you verified the 655 is getting faster speeds. Do you have a friend with another xbox that you can try out on this 827? If you can try another xbox and it does the same thing, then I would return the 827 or RMA it. I would contact DLink, maybe level 2 support and tell them what you have done and feel that this is a FW issue.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on August 06, 2012, 07:27:52 AM
One thing I remembered, does the 827 have an option under Advanced/Adv. Wireless: HT 20/40 Coexistence? I thought I remembered someone saying that disabling this helped them. Might be worth a try. Keep us posted on any results.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on October 14, 2012, 06:38:20 PM
Pretty much went back to the DIR 655 until the 1.03 firmware was released.  I figured they would have fixed the bogus connection issue with my xbox.  Nope.  Still 11 Mbps.  While a little part of me wants to do 5-10 hours of troubleshooting for DLINK for free, it's just not worth my time.  It's almost like the guys that work on the firmware don't even bother to look at these forums.  Down goes the 827.  Back to the 655 till 1.04.  Hidef Media Center streaming works just fine there.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on October 14, 2012, 06:40:36 PM
Does a different xbox work on the 827 and does it exhibit the same speeds?
What are your wireless settings set for currently?
Do you have 20/40Mhz Coexistence options on the 827?


Maybe someone can review your router settings with you using Link> teamviewer (http://www.teamviewer.com) if your interested. Its safe and secure.

Let us know.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on October 14, 2012, 06:57:07 PM
I do have another xbox, but it's the phat model with a wireless 610n bridge.  So not exactly apples to apples.  I'd get a buddy's, but I'm the only grown up on the street that actually has one.  All the neighborhood kids are sub 10 and on the wii ;)

I did find the "co-existance" tab and disabled it.  Unfortunately, it still locks down at 11 mbps.  I'm currently set on WPA2 with 2.4GHz and auto 20/40hz. 
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on October 14, 2012, 06:59:29 PM
LOL understand. I think I'm the only grownup on my street that plays xbox.

What wireless modes are you using currently.
I would try your other xbox, even if it's not apples to apple. Would be good to know if a different one with wireless does the same thing or not.
How far away is the xbox from the router?

Haven't seen anyone else with xbox wireless report this issue...yet.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on October 14, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
Ha... ok, Xbox S with internal wireless at 11M and 96% signal.  Old Phat xbox with bridge at 124M and 100% signal.

Really, this is a moot point for most people.  My dorkiness takes it up a bit.  You figure most folk have a pipe at 3mbps or better with their ISP.  If the xbox is connecting at 11Mbps there's no bottle neck.  Most folks don't stream HiDef over their network to the xbox, so they would never even see the issue.  Even less use the media center extender app.  I'd say there's probably about 100 of us... maybe a 1000 tops.  I think most of those folk gave up on wireless and just hardwire.  For me, everything worked on the 655, although a little sluggish.  On the 827, 11M isn't cutting it to even watch lo-def TV.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on October 14, 2012, 07:47:20 PM
Ok, Lets us know that at least a different wireless bridge is working. So there maybe an issue between the wireless on the 360 S and or the wireless on the 827. I'm leaning that the 827 wireless is working as it is connecting at higher speeds with other devices. Yes the wireless is different on the other xbox however does help us see that the 827 is working at faster speeds.

I think the only thing would be now, find you a loaner 360 S to test out and see if it does the same thing. If so, then you can tell DLink that 2 360 Ss are doing the same thing on the one 827. Not if the loaner test 360S doesn't exhibit the same thing and seems to connect at faster speeds, this will tell you that the problem maybe with your original 360S. I won't say that there isn't a problem with the FW either. I just want to see if we can narrow down any possibilities here and see if any of this can be testing with a different xbox 360 S.

I do agree, sometimes I stream on my xbox in the bed room and in most cases it works ok. I think the processing of video isn't the greatest though a I do see some pixelation here and there. Even on my Gb network.
I wonder sometimes if it's the Media Center doing it or what. Recently is seems that xbox can't process DVD files well as before. Also could be how they are being processed to the HDD as well.  :-\

One thing I would recommend to you, regardless of the wifi speed and such with the xbox, if your going to be streaming any video from one device to another, I highly recommend getting a external Gb network switch and connect all wired PCs and devices to it. This will greatly help in keeping high data xfer rates needed for video streaming and help eliminate any unnecessary router processing. I've used one for years and they work well.

So...it would be good if you could test out a 2nd xbox 360 S just to see if that is doing the same thing as the first. Then we can figure out a course of action.

Also please let us know if we can get someone to review your router settings with you using Teamviewer. Might help with doing some troubleshooting.

Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Patrick533 on October 20, 2012, 07:01:35 AM
Hi Furry,

Sorry, late to the "Party", the E-mail message notification does not work any longer for this forum, I will check the settings in a minute.

I do have multiple Xbox's but after fighting the Xbox's WiFi issues I bit the bullet and ran a Cat-6 cable and a switch to them for my late teen early 20's kids. When they were on Wifi it was a different problem everyday. As you know I have a high power A/P also to cover my property, it is not D-Link. I found during testing that the Xbox slims REALLY like the older A/P circa 802.11G, the slim took me and my decades of technical knowledge and flushed it. My kids have gaming parties 3,4,5 Xbox's at a time on my network, the slim has never played nice with any of my 802.11N adapters(including my old DIR-825). I know Xbox slim fans are VERY protective about their machines, but the built-in wireless in them defies everything I have tried, we are not talking hours, we are talking weeks and months of trials of trying to make the slim happy. Another problem is they are deaf! Not the problem in this case but an observation. My A/P outputs 1-watt, at 35-ft the 360 slim calls this 1-bar or weak, my Android phone and a service monitor call it a great signal at 35-ft, in this case a $10K service monitor trumps a 360, sorry. At this time during testing I have tried the Slim with a DIR-827, DIR-825, Fios router w/ WiFi, no name Chinese A/P(1-watt), Linksys WAP, Netgear router. Finally the slim smoked after 18 months, he wont's sell it to me to put in my skeet launcher, I think this is his 3rd slim that has died after a year.

Go wired and save your sanity or use a older A/P for wireless with the Slim 360's. A family of 5 uses my Dir-827 DAILY, the only problem with the WiFi was the Xbox slim, out of 10 other devices in use daily.

I have since switched to the DIR-827, I loved my DIR-825 for ease of setup and getting along with other devices, the 827 has bettered the 825. I never have to think about it, it just works! I'm still using 1.02, not in a hurry to take a chance with 1.03. The nice thing about the Dir-827, the 5-GHZ covers my whole home with my laptop and a upgraded radio in my laptop(3000+ SF).


Later,

Pat
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on October 20, 2012, 10:44:29 AM
Hey Patrick,
Yes, the email activation and notification server(s) are not working for some reason.  >:(

Thanks for the feedback. I presumed that most of the issue lies with the slim and not with the 827.

If you get a chance, can you do one test, turn off your big AP and all other devices and connect your one slim to the 827 via wireless and see what speeds it's it's connecting at on Mixed G and N and single mode N? I'm curious what yours can connect at.


I think that slim wireless has never been the greatest and the only way to get around that is to either use hard wired LAN cable, MS 5Ghz USB xbox adapter or use a D-Link DAP model AP/Bridge and connect the slim wired LAN cable to the DAP or use similar AP/Bridge device. This will eliminate the substandard built in wireless on the slim and provide better wireless connections and flexibility for it. My 2 cents.


Let us know was results you seen when you get time.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Patrick533 on October 20, 2012, 09:56:53 PM
Sorry Furry,

The Slim PHYSICALLY smoked and it was out of warranty, the last Xbox we have is an older one with no wireless. I think he has been through 1-2 previous slims that have went bad, the out of warranty price to fix them is fairly high and my Wife put an end to that. However the older model that I purchased with the built in HDMI port has been running for years without a problem. No RROD or smoke :o

If he gets another for Christmas I will be glad to give it a shot if/when and report back.

Pat
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on October 22, 2012, 08:00:32 AM
Understand...

Ya, feel the Slims have been problematic since the start. I've used the MS 5Ghz USB adapter on my 1st Gen 360 and never have had any problems with it. Works well for when I travel and take my 360 with me.  ;)
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on January 17, 2013, 08:11:15 PM
Been a while.  I went back to the 827 since I hard wired my other xbox.  Decided to bug technical support.  They sent me to level three, then told me to get em some pics and logs.  Here's the email.  We'll see what happens ;)

Dlink Support,

Please see attached log files for both the DIR 827 and my legacy router, the DIR 655.  I've also attached 3 sets of photos for each of the three conditions.  See the following thread for previous troubleshooting experience.  My handle is SL0MAR.

http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=50107.0

Condition 1: Xbox 360 internal wireless
DIR 827
11 mbps
see: MC-11mbps and 827-11mbps

Condtion 2: Xbox 360 connected with Wireless Bridge (Linksys/Cisco WET610N)
DIR 827
246 mbps
see: MC-246mbps and 827-246mbps

Condition 3: Xbox 360 connected with internal wireless
DIR 655
52 mbps
see: MC-52mbps and 655-52mbps
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Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 18, 2013, 07:25:04 AM
Good to hear that they have responded.

I'll have a look with this as well and check on this. I have a roommate now that has a 2nd Gen xbox and we are currently using it with a Bridge so he's on 300Mb on 5Ghz connected to a DGL-4500 in AP mode. I'll have him connect to my 655 currently online right now and see what the speeds are.

Hope Dlink can reproduce this and get a fix in. Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Hard Harry on January 18, 2013, 01:38:09 PM
Just FYI, I connected my Xbox S to wirelessy to another non Dlink router to test. And while this router doesn't show connection rates, I downloaded the Xbox Internet Explore App and saw download speeds up to 8MBps, which equates to around 32Mbps. So the Xbox, at least mine, is not capped at 11Mbps. Just thought I would add that to help isolate the issue.

It should be noted that the Xbox is 4feet away through 1 wall so my test was pretty much best case scenario.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 18, 2013, 02:06:03 PM
What about testing on your 857 sir? Where did that router go to sir?  ???  ::)
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Hard Harry on January 18, 2013, 07:57:17 PM
I can only use 1 router at a time  :P Thats on lend to a friend who needed a new router because his didn't support UPnP but couldn't afford anything better. Just like maybe I might lend the router I have now when/if I get the DGL-5500. Maybe to my parents..not sure.

All I wanted to see is if the Xbox S wireless had a 11Mbps cap, since that was the question of the OP. Answer is no.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 19, 2013, 11:43:38 AM
Lending out beta routers...hmm. LOL. kidding with ya.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Hard Harry on January 19, 2013, 11:50:52 AM
I didn't lend it out until months after Beta. Just think of it as spreading the good name of Dlink. He is now a happy customer. And BTW...shhh  :P

As for the OP, Any word? I think the wireless is downgrading to a lower G band because of another device on the network. Or there is some kind of interference.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 19, 2013, 05:40:54 PM
So I was able to do some testing this evening using my roomies xbox 360 slim w/on board wireless and found the following:
Wifi Setting were Mixed G and N and Single mode N. WPA2 only and AES only. Auto 20/40Mhz and Scan. Less than 10ft distance from router and xbox in same room.

(http://1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa396/furrynutz740il/DIR-646.png)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa396/furrynutz740il/DIR-655.png)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa396/furrynutz740il/DGL-4500.png)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa396/furrynutz740il/DIR-857a.png)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa396/furrynutz740il/DIR-857b.png)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa396/furrynutz740il/DIR-865Lsameroom.png)
Looks like the 857 and 865L is also exhibiting the same thing.

I guess I'll get this into DLink for the 857.

If anyone else has a 827/857/865 router, I recommend posting your results here and or phone contact DLink directly. Please keep us posted on this.


Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: kargo27 on January 19, 2013, 07:41:02 PM
Hey Guys,

With my 657, FW 1.01, and XBOX Slim 5 inches away, it connects at 65MB.

With my 857, FW 1.00 it connects at 11MB.

With my 865L FW 1.01 it connects at 5MB.

Karl
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on January 21, 2013, 12:05:20 PM
Awesome!  Glad you guys could replicate.  I was almost convinced that I was completely nuts.  Ha.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 21, 2013, 01:00:21 PM
Slomar, is your WMM Enable grayed out and enabled by chance? It is on the 857 and I can't get it ungrayed out. It was mentioned to test with WMM Disabled to see if the rate changed or not.

I've emailed DLink and forwarded this on to my contact at DLink. Hope this will be resolved for some of these routers.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 22, 2013, 07:08:17 AM
I got a email back from DLink this morning. Said to go into Firewall settings and disable RTSP, save settings and make sure Enable WMM is checked and enabled and test. Of course, on the 857, it's checked as enabled however it's grayed out. Also said to ensure Multi-cast Streaming is enabled under Advanced/Advanced Networking. I'll have to check this out later. Said to run a test on speedtest.net on a laptop.  ???

Can anyone else check and verify if this helps?
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: BiggShooter on January 22, 2013, 01:26:58 PM
I got a email back from DLink this morning. Said to go into Firewall settings and disable RTSP, save settings and make sure Enable WMM is checked and enabled and test. Of course, on the 857, it's checked as enabled however it's grayed out. Also said to ensure Multi-cast Streaming is enabled under Advanced/Advanced Networking. I'll have to check this out later. Said to run a test on speedtest.net on a laptop.  ???

Can anyone else check and verify if this helps?

Performed these suggested settings ------XBOX 360S INTERNAL WIRELESS IS STILL CAPPED AT 11Mbps!!
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 22, 2013, 01:38:18 PM
Thank you for sharing BS. I'll confirm this tonight and respond back to DLink email. Anyone else seeing this? Please post your results. Thank you.

Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Hard Harry on January 22, 2013, 03:11:48 PM
I found this thread (http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/f/9/p/296460/1547640.aspx) over on the Xbox forums. Note someone said someone had the same issue with the Netgear.

Also I looked through these forums (http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/networking-hardware/02-routers/default.aspx), offically moderated by Xbox, and for every router, they suggest changing the Wireless mode to G only. And I quote:

"The reason we recommend switching to wireless-g only is that for most routers, wireless-g is far more stable than wireless-n.  Unless you are streaming HD movies through something like media sharing then you generally don't need wireless-n."

So I wonder if they know something we don't. And I suspect this is more a issue with Xbox 360 S and N connections then it has anything to do Dlink. Not to say the discussion belong here, but I wonder if we should be contacting Microsoft and not Dlink. Thoughts?

Also, 11Mb also happens to be the exact cap of Wifi-b. Not sure if that is related, but 11b seems like a weird cap if it was like a physical problem with the wireless.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 22, 2013, 03:29:21 PM
Thanks for sharing Harry. Good info.

Well back a few years ago when the DGL-4500 was the rage, we saw that using G mode was best and seem to work well for gaming via Wireless. However, since the advent of N and adapters for Xbox and the built in ones seen in the slims, you would think that N could be recommended, specially over 2.4Ghz. They even made a dual band xbox WiFi USB adapter that works on 5Ghz and does work well. I guess i'll test that adapter tonite however I don't think I'll see the same results as with the built in Slims.

And I'm also not seeing this on other model DLink routers either; 4500, 657, 655 and 645. Only the 3 I tested from the 8 series. I still kind of think that this is an issue with the 8 series FW or with the xbox or a combination of the two. I'm leaning towards FW. OR maybe the Xbox Slim?  :-\

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Hard Harry on January 22, 2013, 03:43:55 PM
I created a post on the Xbox forums. It can be found here (http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/f/9/t/441993.aspx).
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 22, 2013, 05:43:46 PM
I did a some testing to verfiy if the RTSP setting enabled or disabled would help, the router still reports 11Mb connection rate.

However testing Single mode G reports the following:
(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa396/furrynutz740il/DIR-857GmodeOnly.png)

I installed the MS Xbox USB WiFi adapter on the slim it reported the following using Single mode N:
(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa396/furrynutz740il/DIR-857wMSXboxUSBWiFiadapter.png)

I powered up my DIR-825 and used the on board WiFi on the slim and it reported the following:
(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa396/furrynutz740il/DIR-825slimNonly.png)

Seem like there is something going on with the newer gen 8 Series routers or the WiFi that these newer routers have and the onboard Xbox 360 slim WiFi.

Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: kargo27 on January 23, 2013, 10:00:38 AM
I wonder if it does this on the PS3?  Is the PS3 wireless N?
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 23, 2013, 10:02:58 AM
Anyone got a PS3 to test out?
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Hard Harry on January 23, 2013, 10:39:04 AM
How did those speed tests go?
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: kargo27 on January 23, 2013, 02:29:37 PM
I tested the speeds wired and wireless on my Slim using speedof.me and I don't think it was accurate.

I used the IE browser app on my 360 and I got about 2.5mb up and about the same down on repeated tests.  Wired or wireless made no difference.

I tested it connected to my 857 and also directly wired to the cable modem.  No difference.  I think there is an issue with IE on XBL and the speedof.me program/website.  I know for a fact that my download speeds are much more than 2.x mb down in reality because when downloading demos, updates, etc., it's pretty quick.  However, I don't know if my Slim is utilizing my 30mb download speed to it's fullest when wired or wireless.  I wish MS made an accurate speed tester on XBL that we could use.  I'm very surprised they haven't yet.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Hard Harry on January 23, 2013, 03:18:14 PM
Yea I was afraid of that. Its not so much a problem with the test but how badly the IE app handles HTML5. It can do it, its just horrible at it. It scored a 120 out of 500 on the standard HTML5 test (http://html5test.com/), where my Chrome scores a 461. Then when it comes down to HTML5 performance, I ran the infamous Fish bowl test (http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/performance/fishbowl/) and was getting lag at the base 10 fish. Even on my laptop I can do 1000+ without any real problem.  So yea, once again a game console puts out a horrible browser. Even PS3's can do flash...barly..but still. Wow. You would think since browsers are Microsoft specially..they would be better at it, but oh well.

So I think the only way to test it is the simple way, find something somewhat large in the App store, find out how big it is, and just time how long it takes to download it. Won't be exact, but it doesn't need to be. Just needs to be faster then 11Mb for proof of concept.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 23, 2013, 03:31:41 PM
Kargo, might be a good test to do the same Wired and Wireless set either on the DIR-657 or DGL-4500.  ???
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 23, 2013, 05:27:23 PM
OK, I tested my 1st Gen xbox on a wired connection with the 857.50Down/2Up.

Down was 2.49Mb
Up was 1.84

Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: BiggShooter on January 23, 2013, 06:51:34 PM
OK, I tested my 1st Gen xbox on a wired connection with the 857.50Down/2Up.

Down was 2.49Mb
Up was 1.84



I'm getting similar results - wired connection from Xbox 360S to 4500 (wired to 857 via switch).  My ISP speed is 20/2.  I'm not confident that web site for doing a speed test via Xbox 360 IE browser is completly accurate.  Just my two cents :)
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Hard Harry on January 23, 2013, 07:59:21 PM
Yea..thats what I just said. But Im just saying I don't think its a matter of finding a different test, the browser app itself is the bottle neck.

Its better to test it using the Xbox Store. Something free, somewhat large, (1GB+) and something not alot of people would be downloading (so no lag). Then time it, and that would tell you MB per second with some simple math. Thats the only way I can fathom getting a accurate test.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 24, 2013, 07:06:07 AM
I did notice that the update for IE was 113Mb, seem to download in about 15 est. seconds. I supposed we could delete that app and then try to re-install it?  ???
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Hard Harry on January 24, 2013, 10:05:28 AM
Did it download on wireless on a Series 8? If so thats +- 60Mbps.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on January 24, 2013, 10:06:21 AM
Wired.  :-\
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on January 25, 2013, 07:02:08 PM
Fellas,

A little off track.  The 11Mbps cap is in-house on the router before it ever touches your modem to the outside world.  Testing download speeds from ie or gauging speeds based off of downloads just tests external speeds through your ISP.  Given, if you have a 30mbps connection, you should see a bottle neck, but it's not as drastic as the bottle neck from 260mbps to 11mbps.

On the other hand...

Windows Media Center Extender features a great network tuner with a graph that shows real time connection speeds in-house.  There are no numbers on the graph, but you can see real time connections clear as day.  Ever try windows media center extender app?  It's free with Windows 7 computers.  Give it a try.  The Network tuner in graph view tells the whole story.  No external speedtest.net or ie html5 to confuse the issue or detract from the fact that there's a serious bug in the firmware.

Slomar
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Hard Harry on January 25, 2013, 07:32:32 PM
I disagree. I have seen people saying the listed connection rate is dynamic, changed based on use. On top of that, some people saw rates as low as 1Mbps listed. I feel if it was truly bottle necking the connection at those speeds, we would be hearing ALOT more on it. I posted a thread on Xbox forums..not a single hit, so something doesn't add up. So the only thing I wanted to test was if the Xbox could download something faster then 11Mbps even if the rate said 11Mbps. If so, then it would make the problem a status reporting glitch, and not a throughput problem.

But yea, if you have some way to test it based on actually transfer rates, and not connections rates, please post your data in detail.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on January 26, 2013, 06:11:06 PM
OK... some pics.  Note, reported speeds from the web interface directly relate to the real-time link between my windows 7 machine (hardwired), and my Xbox 360 S (internal wireless).  Transfers occur in house only, no streaming though my ISP.  This is a great reason why you would actually purchase 300-600 mbps capable routers... home streaming.  

Condition 1: Xbox 360 internal wireless
DIR 827
Web Interface Reported Speed: 11 mbps
see: MC-11mbps and 827-11mbps

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77950197@N04/8417730561/sizes/m/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/77950197@N04/8417730561/sizes/m/in/photostream/)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8469/8417730561_0751e41eb9_c_d.jpg)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77950197@N04/8417730969/sizes/m/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/77950197@N04/8417730969/sizes/m/in/photostream/)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8378/8417730969_f74208beb1_c_d.jpg)

Condtion 2: Xbox 360 connected with Wireless Bridge (Linksys/Cisco WET610N)
DIR 827
Web Interface Reported Speed: 246 mbps
see: MC-246mbps and 827-246mbps

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77950197@N04/8418822434/sizes/m/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/77950197@N04/8418822434/sizes/m/in/photostream/)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8505/8418822434_88719b51b5_c_d.jpg)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77950197@N04/8418822968/sizes/m/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/77950197@N04/8418822968/sizes/m/in/photostream/)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8192/8418822968_a4b0184a36_c_d.jpg)

Condition 3: Xbox 360 connected with internal wireless
DIR 655
Web Interface Reported Speed: 52 mbps
see: MC-52mbps and 655-52mbps

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77950197@N04/8418822618/sizes/m/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/77950197@N04/8418822618/sizes/m/in/photostream/)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8072/8418822618_e87e559b1b_c_d.jpg)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77950197@N04/8417731125/sizes/m/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/77950197@N04/8417731125/sizes/m/in/photostream/)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8084/8417731125_e40eba9ccb_c_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: smithron99 on February 05, 2013, 05:41:57 PM
Gents, new to the forum.  I have 2 XBOX slims and DIR 827.  When I got the 827 back in June I reported the XBOX's capped at 11 Mbps.  Had a few fruitless email exchanges then they suggested I needed to call in to discuss.  I'm also a Media Centre nut.  I needed to get the Xbox's onto the 5 GHz band anyway to get around wireless phone and microwave interference, so I got an external n adapter for the one box and put the other on a DAP and dropped the support call.

I recently got a shiny new Lumia WP phone and found it was maxing out on N at around 58 Mbps, sometimes dropping as low as 5.5.  These results were with the phone 6 ft away from the 827.  So, I picked up the previous case and called in.  We updated firmware to 1.04, twiddled a few other settings - no joy.  RMA'd the 827.  Installed the replacement unit tonight - same result.  :'(
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on February 05, 2013, 05:50:57 PM
Why not call in and talk to someone, say level 3 or higher?
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: smithron99 on February 06, 2013, 07:22:45 PM
Sure.  How would I do that?  Not familiar with the levels...
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on February 06, 2013, 07:24:27 PM
Just ask...tell them that you've already done troubleshooting and need to speak with a higher level support person.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on February 12, 2013, 09:21:49 AM
So have an interesting question/problem for those interested:
Setup:
DIR-655, 657 and possibly 857.
2.4Ghz only. 5Ghz doesn't reproduce this.
Reserved IP address for 1st gen 360.
MS Wireless 2.4/5Ghz USB adapter. Connected in front. Haven't tired back yet.
QoS rules set up as per XBL sticky.
NAT EndPoint.
Single Mode N Only.
WPA2 and AES Only.
Channel 11 (Manual)
Auto 20/40Mhz

Reserved IP address:
Wired = Works
Wireless 2.4Ghz = Sees the SSID name and allows me to enter PW. Fails to connect and acquire the IP address. Times out and gets a self assigned IP address of 169.
Wireless 5ghz to my DGL-4500 in 5Ghz AP mode = Works and gets a IP address from the router and connects successfully to the XBL services.

DHCP IP address:
Wired = Works.
Wireless 2.4Ghz = Works and gets a IP address from the router and connects successfully to the XBL services.

I also tested with a 3rd party 2.4Ghz AP set in bridge mode and it's LAN wire connected to the LAN port on the 360 and same thing happens if I use the Reserved IP address. If I change to DHCP, it works.  ???

Is there a conflict some where or is this a configuration issue? I notice that one one occasions the MS adapter seem to connect as I was watching the Wireless status window on the router and there was a reserved IP address seen, however no IP address appeared on the xbox network settings. Most other times the connections were seen on the Wireless status window however the IP address was 0.0.0.0. Connected speeds were around 130 on the MS adapter and 200-300 using the 3rd party bridged AP.

I don't use WiFi for gaming however wanted to set gaming on WiFi on 2.4Ghz for some wireless testing. The times I have used WiFi for gaming it's always been on 5Ghz.

Anyone else see this or can offer up some info? Help?
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Hard Harry on February 12, 2013, 03:23:58 PM
Hmm, first thing that comes to mind is the MAC address in the DHCP reservation, is it the MAC of the adapter or the Xbox? Maybe try cloning the MAC of the adapter to the Xbox? Or a easier work around is to set the DHCP reservation to a certian IP and then just set that IP as static on the Xbox.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on February 12, 2013, 03:29:35 PM
I believe it's the MAC address of the xbox as I looked at the MAC of both wireless adapters and they differ from what is seen on the router.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on April 20, 2013, 09:35:15 AM
Still no fix to original issue with Canadian 1.05 beta.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on July 10, 2013, 07:43:46 AM
So I did a quick test last nite with my DIR-826L and 868L with my roommates xbox slim wifi.
Using the 826L it connected at 65Mb.
Using the 868L it connected at 1Mb however I did not have the 868L connected to the main modem. Was just stand alone router with out any thing connected. The 826L is my current main router connected to the ISP modem.

I'll reconnect the 868L to the main modem and retest to see if there is an idle issue or not and sometimes I have noticed that the connection speed drops if there isn't anything going on on the xbox.

I'll check my DIR-810L as well.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on July 10, 2013, 04:50:12 PM
I put my DIR-868L online as the main host router and re-tested the Xbox Slim and it only connects or is being reported by the status page on the router as connecting at 5Mb and nothing higher is seen. I have forwarded this on to D-Link.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on July 11, 2013, 06:28:39 PM
Nice!  868L issues might grab their attention.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on July 11, 2013, 06:35:48 PM
Ya. I let them know about it. I'm hoping that someone will have a look and see where the issue comes from. Either MS or D-Link or combination of both. And good luck with getting MS to do anything. LOL.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on July 12, 2013, 10:36:50 AM
I have been in contact with D-Link and seems to have someones attention. Please be patient while they review the situation as I presume this could take some time.  ;)
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: Slomar on August 02, 2013, 06:06:17 PM
Good to hear.  Just looked at the read count (9500)  It's not exactly youtube famous, but it seems we've got a few people looking at the issue.
Title: Re: Internal Wireless-N Xbox 360 S capped at 11Mbps?
Post by: FurryNutz on November 15, 2013, 04:13:18 PM
FYI people, got some basic info. Looks like the wireless drivers that reside on the xbox slims are the culprit. These are handled by MS and the xbox developers. Not sure if anything will be done. Since most of the new generation routers have more up to date drivers, this may cause problems with the xbox slim WiFi since those drivers maybe out of date and not fully compliant or work correctly with newer WiFi drivers on routers that they seem to be using now days.

I highly recommend to those seeing this problem with there xbox Slims as a alternative work around solution, disable the onboard WiFi and connect either wired LAN cable or install a DIR-868L/865L or a DAP model bridge. LAN wire connect the Slim to the back of the Bridged AP and then you'll have a better connection between the xbox and main host router. DAP-1522. 1525, 1533 and 1650 are good DAP models for bridging for the various DIR series of routers that are effected. The DIR-868L and 865L are now supporting full bridge mode so those can be used as bridges.
http://us.dlink.com/product-category/home-solutions/connect/access-points-range-extenders-and-bridges/ (http://us.dlink.com/product-category/home-solutions/connect/access-points-range-extenders-and-bridges/)
I've tested the DAP-1533, DIR-865L, 868L and 880L and all work well with the xbox Slim and even work with the Elites and XB1.

D-Link routers are not the only routers that see this issue. There has been reports of other Mfr routers exhibiting the same thing as well. Not sure if MS is aware or not sure if they will even do anything since new gen xboxes are arriving soon. If your stuck on getting the slim working with WiFi, you'll need to phone contact MS support and talk to them about this. Or use one of the suggestions above.

Good Luck.