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Title: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 07, 2011, 07:34:57 AM
It seems the 825 works pretty well but I definitely run into issues with my NAS.  Takes a long time to access it via Windows Explorer or when trying to run videos from the NAS it seems to hang and if the video finally runs it stops/starts and is very erratic.  When I take the 825 out of the equation then all is fine.  BUMMER!  Wanted to get some opinions on a thought to fix this issue.

Does it make sense to do a reset (hold in reset button until power light flashes) and then update to 2.06.  Looks like 2.06 is getting positive feedback.  Been running 2.05 for some time now but I all too often have issues accessing and running anything from the NAS when it's connected to the router.

Thoughts?  Ideas?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 07, 2011, 07:39:10 AM
Have you tried using a external switch off of the 825 then connect all other wired devices to the switch? It's preferred to have an external switch in these cases as it eliminates any router processing and allows for a more direct and speedier connection between devices. I use a 24pt Gb switch off mine router. I only connect devices that don't need to be connected with any other devices and needs router processing, like xbox. Those are direct to the router for gaming online.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 07, 2011, 10:54:45 AM
LOL.  I think you and I had this chat before.  And it is the thing to do.  I guess it pisses me off that this router cannot handle this properly and it should.  I don't even use these things that much.  But, after connecting my switch (gig ports) and segmenting off the NAS and my desktop I can see the immediate improvement.  My laptop and Boxee Box will have to go through the 825 via WiFi and then the switch to hit the NAS and hopefully that will work fine.  After an initial test it seems to work great which is odd. Sounds like the WiFi works better than the LAN ports. ??

Edit: as a matter of fact I can watch a movie at my desktop (via the NAS) AND on my laptop (via WiFi to the NAS) at the same time and move around in either movie with no lag or issues.

The Boxee Box seems to do just fine via WiFi although I will say I've had to reboot the 825 a couple of times and then it works fine.  Typically there have been no issues for the most part.  One test was a 1080P movie streamed via WiFi through the Boxee Box via the 825 from Hulu and it was just fine.

You have any thoughts on the ASUS RT-N56U (good info here: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/31436-asus-rt-n56u-black-diamond-dual-band-gigabit-wireless-n-router-reviewed).  Speeds look amazing and more importantly it looks to have great throughput.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 07, 2011, 11:27:32 AM
Ya I Think we did. Finally got the switch in place now huh?
Ya, I figured the switch would clear things up a bit for you.

I still need to see if my boxee will do well for Wifi. What radio are you using 2.4Ghz or 5?
It's possible that WiFi is working better then LAN ports. However keep in mind that wired connections can be effected by cable length and quality. I had been using cat5e however did jump to all new CAT 6.
I have everything connected to my switch accept for the xboxes. Enjoy it all.
I stream BD files from my server thru the boxee.

From experiences with these routers and heading to test a Linksys here soon, seems that the LAN Ports or the switches on the back of routers always seems to be effected by the routers processing and such. I believe the switch on these routers aren't meant to handle xfer speeds as seen when you use a REAL smart(er) external switch do the router having to mange and handle traffic coming across them. Thus why I've just made it a habit to have an external switch along with the router for those installations and platforms that need it.

No experience on the ASUS as of yet. I also prefer routers with antennae or the ability to connect an external antenna. Been testing out the DIR 657 and headed to Linksys that someone sent me to check out. I'm hoping for a DAP-1525 too. I'm very happy with the DGL-4500 and the DIR-825. Once my home addition is done, the 825 is going to be the main router and the 4500 for back up. I hope.  ::)



Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 07, 2011, 11:49:20 AM
Yep... switch is in place.  It's a TRENDnet TEG-S80g.  Been playing with it and can start multiple movies from the NAS simultaneously without issue and reposition the play point in the movie as well without any lag.  Amazing.

The Boxee Box is only 2.4.  Odd that there are dual band routers and with the intention of using 5Ghz for multimedia but then the toys I see don't have the 5Ghz.  So I'm using 2.4 for the Boxee and 5 for my laptop.  

Did you see a clear improvement by moving to Cat6?  I had thought I had cleared up my problems by moving from some Cat5 to Cat5e cables.  But then issues seem to have come back.  I'm still using Cat5e now but with the switch in place, of course.

If I were you I consider that Asus router.  I know the antennas are internal but at least the router stands vertical. The tests at SmallNetBuilder looked great and it earned the top spot for WiFi routers and still holds that position.

I thought about a DAP-1525 for my Blu-ray as it's Ethernet only.  But with the Boxee Box now I don't see myself using it much anymore.  But nice to get rid of that Ethernet cable I have dropped over my loft.  Not much is exposed but to me it's a nuisance.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 07, 2011, 11:54:43 AM
I would say I noticed a good improvement when CAT6 was put in place. Longer distances seem very stable for xfers and over all the stability is great. Also knowing that there is a bit of overhead that CAT6 has over 5e is nice. Just seems that everything is very stable on CAT6.

If wireless is running well for then enjoy it man. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 07, 2011, 11:57:07 AM
I assume you are using UTP and not STP for your CAT6.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 07, 2011, 12:05:26 PM
correct, nothing needed for outside...yet.  ::)
I can't wait to start wiring.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 11, 2011, 07:26:45 AM
Okay..something doesn't make sense.  Wondering if the NAS is the issue.  Even though the NAS is segmented along with my desktop through the switch by speeds are back to slow again.  Maybe 8.5MB average.  Should be at least 15MB if not higher.  Ugh!
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 11, 2011, 11:32:35 AM
What happens if you manually set up static IP reservation on the PC and NAS, connect only those 2 items up to the switch, then do some file xfer testing and see if you notice anything? I do this kind of testing sometimes at work to help Isolate the main LAN and WAN from devices I'm testing.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 11, 2011, 01:42:25 PM
Hey, I was curious, while you had ur boxee online and watching movies, were you using it to stream video from the internet or were you also watching movies from like a server at your place? Was curious. I notice that if I put movies on my server, i.e. BD movies, the boxee keep re-buffering while using N only 2.4Ghz wireless. Netflix and other internet works great. I presume it's the High data that the boxee has to deal with over wireless vs wired. Wired works great. Too bad the Boxee doesn't have 5Ghz support.  :(
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 13, 2011, 12:19:23 PM
What happens if you manually set up static IP reservation on the PC and NAS, connect only those 2 items up to the switch, then do some file xfer testing and see if you notice anything? I do this kind of testing sometimes at work to help Isolate the main LAN and WAN from devices I'm testing.

Seagate says to keep the IP dynamic as the speeds will actually be better.  But, in any case I've tried these things and no luck.  Odd thing is back when you I exchanged info before I had to swap out cables and noticed a worthwhile improvement.  Then I started having issues again.  So I added in the switch just recently and that seem to take care of the problem. Suddenly I'm back to square one yet again.  I can't even open one movie and it takes forever to load. Just the other day after adding the gigabit switch and segmenting that portion of the LAN I was able to open four movies or so immediately and run them all and without issue (notes above for details).  Haven't made any changes and had family in town recently so barely touched the PC.  ???
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 13, 2011, 12:25:54 PM
Hey, I was curious, while you had ur boxee online and watching movies, were you using it to stream video from the internet or were you also watching movies from like a server at your place? Was curious. I notice that if I put movies on my server, i.e. BD movies, the boxee keep re-buffering while using N only 2.4Ghz wireless. Netflix and other internet works great. I presume it's the High data that the boxee has to deal with over wireless vs wired. Wired works great. Too bad the Boxee doesn't have 5Ghz support.  :(

Makes no sense really that we can get dual band routers with the idea of putting multimedia (even displayed on the retail boxes) on 5Ghz and then these devices use 2.4Ghz.

I've found the same  thing as you actually.  I find that streaming over the web works better than from my NAS typically.  Overall all seems to work pretty well however and I'm doing it all via WiFi at 2.4Ghz.  I'd like to know what connection speed the Boxee Box actually connects at to the WiFi router via the 2.4Ghz.  I know it's 802.11n but no idea of the actual speeds it's connecting or maintaining.  There is Boxee app that you can do download speeds via the web.  This can help.

Not sure what version of f/w you are using on your Boxee.  I bought mine in... March I think and they've had 3 or 4 updates since.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 13, 2011, 12:31:01 PM
So is the new Gb switch now exhibiting the same slow down on the NAS?

Seagate says to keep the IP dynamic as the speeds will actually be better.  But, in any case I've tried these things and no luck.  Odd thing is back when you I exchanged info before I had to swap out cables and noticed a worthwhile improvement.  Then I started having issues again.  So I added in the switch just recently and that seem to take care of the problem. Suddenly I'm back to square one yet again.  I can't even open one movie and it takes forever to load. Just the other day after adding the gigabit switch and segmenting that portion of the LAN I was able to open four movies or so immediately and run them all and without issue (notes above for details).  Haven't made any changes and had family in town recently so barely touched the PC.  ???
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 13, 2011, 12:35:16 PM
There a link to this boxee app? I should have looked at the Status page on the router to see if there was some info on the connection. I only noticed that BD files seem to have a hard time playing seamlessly on 2.4Ghz then wired. Would be interesting to see the actual connection speed. I presume it should be connecting at 130-170Mb on N right?  Ya, Theres been a few updates for boxee.

Makes no sense really that we can get dual band routers with the idea of putting multimedia (even displayed on the retail boxes) on 5Ghz and then these devices use 2.4Ghz.

I've found the same  thing as you actually.  I find that streaming over the web works better than from my NAS typically.  Overall all seems to work pretty well however and I'm doing it all via WiFi at 2.4Ghz.  I'd like to know what connection speed the Boxee Box actually connects at to the WiFi router via the 2.4Ghz.  I know it's 802.11n but no idea of the actual speeds it's connecting or maintaining.  There is Boxee app that you can do download speeds via the web.  This can help.

Not sure what version of f/w you are using on your Boxee.  I bought mine in... March I think and they've had 3 or 4 updates since.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 13, 2011, 01:26:16 PM
So is the new Gb switch now exhibiting the same slow down on the NAS?


I just power cycled the switch and that seemed to help (like I've done with the router in the past).  It seems if you want to get decent speeds over a Gig LAN you need to push the MTU way up.  The only way to get that to work in my case is between the PC and the router.  My switch is not a managed switch.  But I'm guessing if I mess with the MTU on the router that would screw up things on the WAN side.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 13, 2011, 01:45:39 PM
There a link to this boxee app? I should have looked at the Status page on the router to see if there was some info on the connection. I only noticed that BD files seem to have a hard time playing seamlessly on 2.4Ghz then wired. Would be interesting to see the actual connection speed. I presume it should be connecting at 130-170Mb on N right?  Ya, Theres been a few updates for boxee.


Well, with WiFi the throughput seems to be have of the connection speed.  Unless you are getting that speed via your CAT6(e) to your router. 

The SpeedTest app looks to have been dropped. Whenever an app is added it should show up on your app list. Just be sure to choose ALL so you can see all the apps. Anyway, to get around this I use the Boxee Browser and to to Speedtest.net and use their speedtest.  Then you can set it as a favorite for later use again.  I just tested mine and I got 22.5Mpbs down and 3.87Mbps up via Boxee -> WiFi Router -> WAN.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 14, 2011, 06:57:16 AM
I'll give that a go and see what I'm getting on 2.4Ghz. I now wired is great, hehe. Boxee been pretty good though for streamin.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 14, 2011, 07:46:29 AM
Let me know.  Curious at this end.  Do a test wired and WiFi.  :-)

My speeds with Comcast are 22Mb down and 4Mb up for what I'm paying.  So with my WiFi test to the Boxee I'm happy.  Curious of actual throughput.

Think I'm going to order some Cat6 cables off of Monoprice.com.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 14, 2011, 08:45:35 AM
I will. I got 50 down and 2 up. Will see if my 4500 set in AP mode will effect this or not. My 825 is at the opposite end of the house so I have the boxee close to the 4500, the thats connected to a switch next to it in the living room then off to the 825 in the office.

Ya, I think CAT6 is really good. Very stable. I can't wait to start running CAT 6 in the new addition.  ;D
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 16, 2011, 07:33:28 AM
Well I did a test the other night using boxee connected to the DGL-4500 set up in AP mode using single mode N at 2.4Ghz. First test came back very low speeds, 7Mb and 2Mb up. I tried a 2nd time and this time the speed was more closer to 50Mb down, around 37Mb. I think it might have been due to the time of evening that the speedtest was slower than expected. Ping times were around 60. Not great but I think for watching netflix and streaming stuff via apps on there, probably not a major concern. I watched a movie after I was done. No problems.

I did notice this, I had my MacBook Pro connected wired and had the DGL-4500 wireless status page open monitoring the connection. I notice that the connection for boxee would only get 65Mb, it would never connect at anything faster. Initially it connected at 35Mb and that I think was because I had my Mac Book on wireless as well so I turned that off and connected wired. After that the boxee connected at 65Mb and no more. I need to see if I can figure out if the boxee will connect at any higher speed on the 825 however thats down the hallway and in the office. The boxee and 4500 are about 7 feet apart in the same room.  ???
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 16, 2011, 08:04:56 AM
So you are saying you connected your MacBook Pro to the ethernet port on the back of the Boxee to see what speed it would connect at?  It's supposed to be a 10/100 Nic.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 16, 2011, 08:18:06 AM
No I had the MBP connect to the switch were also the Boxee and 4500 were all connected too. Isn't the boxee a Gb NIC?
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 16, 2011, 08:36:40 AM
No 10/100.  I was hoping the same but 10/100 should work fine for what you need to run it.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 16, 2011, 09:36:23 AM
Ya...it's wired for now so I can stream BD movies.  ;D
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 16, 2011, 10:03:34 AM
I think it's trickier streaming HD movies off of a NAS than it is something like VUDU.  I've done VUDU at 1080P and it's great.  I find with the NAS that it looks like the transfer rates probably wouldn't be enough to do BD movies.  I've heard complaints from others to.  But I see the NAS units are getting faster as Netgear has one now with 1Gig of RAM and a dual core Atom CPU.  Said to get 70MB/s.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 16, 2011, 10:46:32 AM
I agree man. I think raw BD movies are too big and bulky for connections under 100Mb and probably anything under 130Mb. Need the bigger pipe to carry the big stuff I guess. Am curious why the boxee only connected at 65Mb instead of 130Mb though.  ???
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 16, 2011, 11:04:57 AM
Hmm... so that was a WiFi connection between your laptop and the Boxee you were referring to that you got 65Mb?  If so only half of that is actually throughput.

PCs are tricky.  There are all of these theoretical speeds/rates that are not real world.  USB, WiFi, Ethernet, PCI boards and it goes on.  Bottlenecks and other things are culprits.  Plus, good software drivers and so on.

Edit:  Curious... do you know if you used mixed cable types (Cat 5, 5e, 6) that the speeds will only work as the slowest cable?  I know with WiFi it's speed is only as good as the slowest device.  I understand that, say, you have 802.11b enabled and someone is using that then everyone else will run at the 802.11b speed via WiFi.  Wondering if the same thing applies to cables.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 16, 2011, 12:15:56 PM
No the connect was between the Boxee and the 4500 router setup as an AP. I was using wired on my LT and monitoring the Status page on the 4500 and looking at the connection speed it was reporting while the boxee was connected to the 4500 in single mode N @ 2.4Ghz.

As for cableing, it's been my experience that regardless of cable type, you'll get the same connection speeds across each one. Depending on how well they are may of course. However each one has different distance travel length limitations, CAT 6 being the longest for one single run of cable so far with out having to amplify. CAT 7 goes even farther.  ;)
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 16, 2011, 07:33:30 PM
As for cableing, it's been my experience that regardless of cable type, you'll get the same connection speeds across each one. Depending on how well they are may of course. However each one has different distance travel length limitations, CAT 6 being the longest for one single run of cable so far with out having to amplify. CAT 7 goes even farther.  ;)

So if I happen to have Cat5 and Cat5e cables all cables with run at Cat5?  Clarifying.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 17, 2011, 10:54:50 AM
Some light reading:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twisted_pair

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_cable

http://ezinearticles.com/?Cat-5,-5E,-6,-and-6A-Cables---Distance-and-Speed-Limitations&id=1237951

I believe the actual xfer speeds and times can be affected by using a mixed of different cables however connected speeds shouldn't be. Realistically, people would run all the same type of CAT level. I have a mixe here however thats off the switch and not in between the switch and router and modem. Thats all CAT 6.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 17, 2011, 12:04:38 PM
I think it makes sense when I order the Cat6 cables to order at least enough to replace all the current cables in use.

Curious... sounds like you are using all UTP and no STP correct?  Just wondering if anyone concerns themselves at all with AC adapter cables close by as a concern at all.  I always figured it was an issue with bigger power concerns but am wondering if AC adapter cables are causing problems (crosstalk interference).
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 18, 2011, 11:32:06 AM
To me it makes sense to go to Cat 6.

Ya, were using UTP here. Right now cables are not really installed properly as they are running up and down door way frames and down on the floor in the hall way in the existing house. Now once the new addition is done, ALL wiring will be properly put in place.

There can be cross talk however if you have cable runs in parallel close together, of course. However running cable perpendicular to each other helps clear this. I haven't had an issue of AD adapters causing issues on the network, only over x10 doe it reek havoc on our system here. LOL. AC adapters are mostly unregulated and noisy can when plugged in cause noise on the x10 lines. Were going to have to centralize AC adapters when we go to fully wire up the new addition. Were also having to make sure the video and audio wires are correctly installed and isolated from interference from AC lines as well.

Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 19, 2011, 04:37:16 PM
Okay...maybe I'm having a brain cramp.  But since I moved my desktop and NAS over to the switch my desktop and laptop do not see the other via Network so I can move files between them.  Makes no sense and they all go through the DIR-825 ultimately.  Maybe adding the switch had nothing to do with it and it's some MS update but it was working and I haven't changed the settings in my security app.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 20, 2011, 07:23:35 AM
Probably man. Moving devices to a switch makes things easier to network. Just have to make sure your devices are on the same work group for ease of use and listing in the networking section. Make sure folders and drives are shared out correctly and permissions are set up. Ensure any 3rd party firewalls are set up to allow connections. For me, I don't use 3rd part FW apps as there is really no need around my area and city. Router does that job well. Unless you have a business or have alots of people on your network, theres really no need for Firewall apps on devices. Not alot of call for hacking into ones network for home users IMO.  ::)
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 20, 2011, 07:34:09 AM
That's all done.  No idea what's going on.  I tried to setup a Homegroup but I do it on one machine and am supposed to be able to "join" from the other.  But, there is no "join" option when trying to joing the new Homegroup. WTF?

The firewall is fine as I had gone through that earlier this year.  I uses Eset Smart Security.  I have a business and run it out of my home office.  I'm in a townhouse and there are tons of WiFi signals around here so I prefer to play it safe.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 20, 2011, 08:36:51 AM
Understandable, however I would disable the firewall temp to test and see if that is contributing to the cause. Turn it back on if not. I presume it had been working right>?
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 20, 2011, 09:02:52 AM
Yep... all worked fine.  The only thing I know of is any MS updates that had been installed.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 20, 2011, 09:51:08 AM
Better go look at the update history. Odd that they would impact your networking and sharing.  ???
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 21, 2011, 05:36:40 PM
Looks like it's an issue with my firewall.  LOL.

I use Eset Smart Security.  Have had good look with it.  I always use interactive mode for the firewall so this way it ask for ALL inbound and outbound communication.  Locally,  for the LAN and WAN.

If I disable the firewall on both PCs and then the problem goes away.

There is some error I'm getting though when trying to access the laptop from the desktop.  Error code 0X80070035. Never have been able to figure this out.  Cannot get Homegroup setup between the two PCs either.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 21, 2011, 06:28:41 PM
What are you using to set up the workgroup?

I use the Computer/Properties to set the workgroup name.
I don't use any of the SW wizards.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 21, 2011, 06:51:16 PM
Probably the same as you.  I have Win 7 Pro 64bit on desktop and Win 7 HP 64bit on laptop.  I go into Advanced System Settings where  you can change the computer name and workgroup.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 22, 2011, 07:09:45 AM
Odd...you may want to remove all sharing and shared folder access then start over with a clean work group and folder sharing and see if that clears it up.  ???
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 22, 2011, 08:20:54 AM
Going to do a little research on Error code 0X80070035. I see others have had this issue.  Going to see what I can find out.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 22, 2011, 08:23:38 AM
I saw this...http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f31/solved-error-code-0x80070035-network-path-not-found-175665.html (http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f31/solved-error-code-0x80070035-network-path-not-found-175665.html)

and

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-networking/windows-7-network-error-code-0x80070035-windows/84791143-b70a-4ec2-b700-98df657fe45c (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-networking/windows-7-network-error-code-0x80070035-windows/84791143-b70a-4ec2-b700-98df657fe45c)

and

http://www.petenetlive.com/KB/Article/0000439.htm (http://www.petenetlive.com/KB/Article/0000439.htm)
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 22, 2011, 08:31:56 AM
Are you devices using Dynamic Ip addressing or reserved?
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 22, 2011, 09:34:35 AM
Both.  I only set anything static in the DIR-825.  The desktop and laptop are dynamic.  The printer, Verizon Network Extender, NAS and Boxee Box are all static.

I'm still searching forums and people are trying all static with no luck. 
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 22, 2011, 09:41:16 AM
How are you inputing the map to network string in? \\named PC or \\IP address?
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 22, 2011, 10:35:31 AM
Well... neither work when trying to access the other PC.  Oddly I can use either of the methods when accessing the NAS.

I'm confused as hell.  If I disable my firewall then each PC can see the other.  I setup a Homegroup and think that's a way to work around it. Instead of using Network in Windows Explorer.  Then I an my laptop can access my desktop but then even though my desktop sees my laptop through the Homegroup and I cannot open the folders. I reboot to see what happens and then neither PC has access to the Homegroup.

It's friggin' nuts as there seems to be no work around. 
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 22, 2011, 10:41:03 AM
I noticed that one of those links I sent you mentioned that the Computer Browser serviced had to be started as theres wasn't. Is yours? I think it should be started by default. There are a few ideas that people mentioned on getting theres going. This is crazy. Is it possible to fully remove the ESET SW and test?
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 22, 2011, 11:02:56 AM
Remove Eset.  It can be done.

The thing is that doesn't help either is Homegroup.  I set it up and it works.  Even with Eset firewall enabled. Once I reboot the PCs.  No Homegroup connection.  WTF.

What do you mean by: "I noticed that one of those links I sent you mentioned that the Computer Browser serviced had to be started as theres wasn't. Is yours?"

As for the original post I wonder if there are tweaks that can be done for the NICs on the PCs to improve speed to the NAS.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 22, 2011, 11:14:38 AM
Computer Browser is a Service under Manage/Services.

Possible there is some tweeks. I've heard of Jumbo Frames however I think you need compatible HW that supports that. Not sure though.  ???
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 22, 2011, 12:10:05 PM
"Computer Browser is a Service under Manage/Services. "  Okay, I checked this and mine was set to manual on both PCs.  I set it to Auto on both and restarted both PCs.  No impact.

Uninstalled Eset Secuirty Suite (ESS) on both PCs:

Still get the Error code 0X80070035 when trying to access the laptop from the desktop when using Windows Explorer -> Network.

If I setup a Homegroup the folders are viewable from the laptop to the desktop but now not accessible and I get the "Not accessible... Might be permission settings..... blah blah"

If I check the Homegroup on the desktop the folders for the laptop are viewable but not accessible. No errors no response when clicking on the folders.

Reinstalled ESS on both PCs with same config:

Same problems exist with or without firewall enabled.  Odd as I got different results earlier!  :-(

Looks like I'll need to setup a couple of folders on the NAS to share files since both can access the NAS and it's on all the time. 

Dude!!  This is messed up and not good.



Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 22, 2011, 12:24:07 PM
Hmm...
This is crazy man.
I know that on my system. Everything works, only thing I know I need to do is when I try to access the shared folder on my server, I use the log in and pw for the user account on the server. I have several folders on the server along with drives and external USB drives shared out. The server is 7x32, My pc is 7x64. Roomies is XP Pro and he can access the server just fine.

Everything is reserved IP on the router for the devices.
Goes from 825> 24Pt Gb switch out to devices.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 24, 2011, 08:58:58 AM
Working with ESS to find out what's going on.  Get this.  When I disabled the ESS f/w I could access the desktop from the laptop. I could not do so the other way around as I was getting that error.  When I enabled the f/w I one computer could not see the other.

I uninstalled ESS on both PCs and reinstalled.  Now... the PCs still cannot see each other.  If I disable the f/w now the laptop says it cannot see the desktop and gives me a permission error? What?  I still get that same error on the desktop when trying to access the laptop with the f/w disabled.

How did this get worse?  I didn't do anything to change any permissions. 

Laptop: Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
Desktop: Windows 7 Pro 64bit

I've been wanting to set it up so I could access one PC from the other via Network not Homegroup.  But I cannot get either one to work.

Is there something with Windows permissions that you can think of that I can check?
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 24, 2011, 10:16:57 AM
Hmm, Just checking my settings here:
Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Network and Sharing Center\Advanced sharing settings

They are all turned ON.

File Sharing Connections is set for Enable File Sharing  for devices that use 40-56bit Encryption.
Password protected sharing is ON.
Homegroup Connections are set for Use user accounts and passwords to connect ot other computers.


This is what I have running here. When I connect I can open Networing Icon on the destop and I see all my shares and PCs that are connected on the same workgroup. If I select one of the PCs to connect to, it brings up the log in screen, I use the user name and pw for that account on that PC that I'm trying to connected to, I don't use the username and pw thats on my PC that I'm using to connect.

Not sure what else might be looked at after this.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 24, 2011, 11:30:12 AM
The way you have  yours setup up is the way mine used to work. Plus I prefer it that way.  I do use the higher encryption. 

What security software you using?  Starting to wonder if I should toss ESS and use NIS now that I can get it free from Comcast anyway.  Reviews for NIS keep getting better and the recent ones I've seen are glowing.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 26, 2011, 07:37:06 AM
I use anti-virus programs only. I don't use any firewall programs as the router handles that. Plus, theres not real need for firewall programs unless your not on a router. Also, not alot of hackers trying to hack into mom and pop's low end networking system.  ::)
Norton, McAfee, AVG or just anit virus programs only if your on a router system.

I also run Malware programs like Mal-warebytes to handle the items on web sites and such.
I've learned over the years to try and keep the PCs running lean as possible with out any unnecessary programs running in the background.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 30, 2011, 10:36:39 AM
This ought to be more straight forward.  As in consistencies.  I got it working and here's what I did.  At the "Run" command I typed in the network name (//name) and then connected and then mapped drives to the folders on the other PC.  Have rebooted and I have confidence at this point it will continue to work.  Works in both directions.  Laptop to desktop and desktop to laptop.

Now...this a.m. my router farts.  No idea what happened. Suddenly lost internet access.  Connect directly to cable modem and all is well.  So, tried the usual steps first (power cycle cable modem and router, reconnect modem and when back online connect router, etc) and none of which worked.  I decided to reset the router with the 10 second hold on the reset switch.  I have saved off a config file already.  Gets me back online.  All seems fine.  However, it doesn't like the password that I KNOW that I have saved in this config file.  

I only know to reset (10 second) again, reconfig manually and save a new config file.  Or, do you know of a workaround with the password?  Can't imagine what.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 30, 2011, 10:40:42 AM
What FW version is loaded. Have you done any FW updates and used the same configuration file? What browser do you use when saving the config file?
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 30, 2011, 11:20:47 AM
What FW version is loaded. Have you done any FW updates and used the same configuration file? What browser do you use when saving the config file?

I have always used FireFox.  I switched to 2.06NA about three weeks ago.  I just manually reconfigured it and saved a new file. No idea how one could work around the pwd.  I'm pretty certain that when I updated to 2.06NA that I reconfigured at that point. It's possible that I did not  but I was using the same pwd at the time as well and was using 2.05NA previous.

Hey...I'm looking at the WiFi signal connection to the Boxee Box while logged into the DIR-825. It says signal strength is 100% but the "rate" bounces between 58M and 65M. Does say 802.11n for mode. So..in regards to the rate.  This is probably just fine as it's showing the "the actual transmission rate of the client in megabits per second" (per the router help file).  So this should be actual throughput.  I've found that the actual throughput is about 50% of the connection rate.  So I'm thinking the connection rate is 130Mpbs and throughput is ~65Mbps.

I did follow up by testing all my equipment on Speakeasy.net and testing dl/ul speeds.  All but the Boxee were at 22.xMb down and 4.xMb up.  The Boxee Box achieved 22.xMb down on first test and 20.8Mb on the second and both tests 3.83Mb up.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 30, 2011, 11:53:01 AM
I have always used FireFox.  I switched to 2.06NA about three weeks ago.  I just manually reconfigured it and saved a new file. No idea how one could work around the pwd.  I'm pretty certain that when I updated to 2.06NA that I reconfigured at that point. It's possible that I did not  but I was using the same pwd at the time as well and was using 2.05NA previous.
I use Opera for mine. I wonder if the saved config file got corrupted some how. Ya, theres really no way of working around the PW. At least that I know of. LOL


Hey...I'm looking at the WiFi signal connection to the Boxee Box while logged into the DIR-825. It says signal strength is 100% but the "rate" bounces between 58M and 65M. Does say 802.11n for mode. So..in regards to the rate.  This is probably just fine as it's showing the "the actual transmission rate of the client in megabits per second" (per the router help file).  So this should be actual throughput.  I've found that the actual throughput is about 50% of the connection rate.  So I'm thinking the connection rate is 130Mpbs and throughput is ~65Mbps.

I did follow up by testing all my equipment on Speakeasy.net and testing dl/ul speeds.  All but the Boxee were at 22.xMb down and 4.xMb up.  The Boxee Box achieved 22.xMb down on first test and 20.8Mb on the second and both tests 3.83Mb up.
I presume this might be possible that the WiFi HW in the box is probably dealing with some interferences and who knows what else is going on in the little thing. Hows the streaming? Good I hope. I swtiched back to wired cuz we watch the BD files from the server more than streaming from the internet.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: SBMongoos on September 30, 2011, 11:59:10 AM
The streaming is fine.  I've watched a few 1080P movies wirelessly to the Boxee without issue.
Title: Re: Issues with 825B1 and BlackArmor NAS 220 - frustrated
Post by: FurryNutz on September 30, 2011, 12:01:00 PM
kewl man...well sounds like it all working well though. Keep us posted on the PW and if you see that again. I think I'm also running v2.06, need to check. Haven't seen any issue with mine, yet. Sure rocks on the internet. I also think its better than the 4500 sometimes. LOL.

Glad you found a fix for your network sharing too.