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The Graveyard - Products No Longer Supported => Routers / COVR => DIR-825 => Topic started by: motherfo on October 04, 2008, 02:59:45 PM
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Hi, just curious if the DIR-825 has a bridge mode.
The emulator isn't up on Dlink's site yet.
Thank you,
Fo
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no it does not.
Turning a router into an AP. (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=40856.0)
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I am curious Why? I ask becuase I also have the 655 which I downgraded my firmware to be able to use bridge mode. Does it even matter? Will disabling DHCP do the same thing?
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Disabling the DHCP server makes it an AP/Switch.
What is it that you want to do?
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I think in my circumstance using the router as a switch is best. I wasn't sure the differenence.
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What about PPoE?
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drfeelgood824,
Which were you referring to? PoE or PPPoE? The router is not a PoE device. As for PPPoE, it does PPPoE keep in mind you might have to bridge your modem in order to do so.
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ha!...Typo...PPPoe... thanks for catching that.
Can't wait to get this puppy in. Thanks.
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I have a potential bridge mode issue I would like to see if you can help me with. I am switching to Verizon FIOS and it seems I will be forced to use their router first in my home network because of the cable box connections. I am trying to get an Ethernet connection first from them, but it does not look like it will happen. So, their WMR router (2.4/b/g and 100MB only) will be first in my network now via a cable connection. I want to then connect my DIR-825 to it so all of my home network will remain at GB speeds, and I can keep 5 and N wireless if I want. If I do that and the DIR-825 does not have a bridge mode will I have to change all of the IPs on my network? From 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.2.1 for instance (my network has almost all static IP addresses)? I do use some DHCP with the 825, but can drop it and let the FIOS router assign the IPs. I would like to have everything on the same Octet so I can stream to the cable boxes. So, what would be best in my case? Drop the DIR-825 DHCP, and connect it to the FIOS router via the regular ports instead of the WAN port? Will that allow me to manually assign the DIR-825 an IP in the same Octet as the FIOS router? I also assume the DIR-825 should be at DHCP for internet type. I am using firmware version 1.01. Thanks for any help.
Overall I have had no problems with the DIR-825, a great upgrade from the DGL-4100.
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Okay, I just read page 10 of the manual which explains connecting to another router. Will this still allow me to use my Jumbo frames? It really speeds things up.
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It would be best if you put your PPoE DSL modem in gateway (or bridge) mode and let your 825 handle the firewall, QoS, DHCP, and other major functions. After all you did BUY the 825 because it's a really good Wireless router, right? ;D
To connect two routers together, it's as simple as connecting port 1 on the 825 to port 1 on the 2nd router.
Just make sure on your 2nd router:
DHCP is disabled,
The router IP is outside the 825's DHCP Range (e.g. 192.168.0.200 is acceptable)
Any firewall or SPI is disabled
(If it's a wireless router) The SSID & Wireless Security settings are identical but on different channels.
Do not use the WAN port
Jumbo frames are going to entirely depend on the 2nd router's capabilities. If it's another 655/825/855, Jumbo frames will be automatic.
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The problem is the FIOS guy would only hook up the router via cable and not Ethernet. So, I do not have a choice, the FIOS modem has to be first since it has both Ethernet and Cable connections. This is not DSL, but FIOS. Right now I have it set up as the FIOS router first, then the DIR-825 in bridge mode. Everything works, but the FIOS is first. The FIOS guy kept say the Ethernet was the "old" way of doing things. I think theu just don't want to deal with the hassle of everyone have their own router hooked up and trying to trouble shoot them. Oh well.....
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What's the make & model of your FIOS modem?
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It is the An MI-424WR version D made by Actiontec. There is a new version out, E, that may do 1GB if Verizon requests that setup, but the D is 100MB only. I cannot complain about the speed, I have the 20MB d/l and I have gotten about all of it a few times when d/l from a fat pipe.
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I wish I knew more of the Verizon FIOS service, so I'm going to run with this idea under the premise that FIOS uses PPPoE like DSL.
If the web management interface of the 424 is close to other models this could be easy...
http://www.verizon.net/central/vzc.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=vzc_help_contentDisplay&objId=44136
Just change it to DHCP or Bridge mode as the directions indicate. Make sure you know your Verizon username & password. Then log into your 825 and go through the internet setup wizard and enter the information it asks for. Also make sure to enable DHCP on your 825 as well.
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I understand what you are saying and wish I could do that. The line that comes from Verizon is a cable line. Since there is no Ethernet cable from the start I need something that can convert the cable type interface to Ethernet. The DIR-825 just can't do that. Since Verizon would not run Ethernet out of their box, I am stuck with the FIOS router. The Actiontec is converting the Cable input to Ethernet. If I can find a way to get Ethernet out of the Verizon box first, I will put the Actiontec behind the DIR-825.
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I think something isn't being understood here. The ideal setup is:
cable -> Actiontec 424 -> ethernet cable -> DIR-825 -> your devices wired/wireless
This can be achieved whether or not the 424 supports bridging or not. I've spend a while tonight reading the Verizon manual for the 424 and looking at other forums to really get an idea of what this thing does. I do realize the signal is delivered to your modem via coax instead of fiber or ethernet--which is to be expected unless you were wired up in a new home.
Most of what I'm reading indicates you'd need a very intimate knowledge of the 424, FIOS, your particular wiring setup, the 825, and networking.
So to help keep it simple:
On the 424, disable the onboard wireless completely (See this link: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/images/stories/lansrouters/actiontec_mi424wr/actiontec_mi424wr_wireless_big.png (http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/images/stories/lansrouters/actiontec_mi424wr/actiontec_mi424wr_wireless_big.png)). Make sure the 424 still works fine with one wired computer before you proceed. Look for the DHCP settings and take note of the range the 424 will assign (See this link: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/images/stories/lansrouters/actiontec_mi424wr/actiontec_mi424wr_advanced_big.png (http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/images/stories/lansrouters/actiontec_mi424wr/actiontec_mi424wr_advanced_big.png) and go to IP Address Distribution) - if the start and end range goes from 2-254, reduce/change it to 2-100.
Connect one computer and nothing else to the 825. Go to manual network setup and disable DHCP. Also, assign the 825 an IP address that is OUTSIDE of the DHCP range of the 424 (i.e. if the 414 assigns 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.100, then choose one that's NOT in that range, such as 192.168.1.120). Make sure you SAVE before stepping off network setup. Then go to manual wireless setup and set it up the way you want in terms of SSID, Security, Wireless Mode, etc. When you're done, make sure you've saved again.
Now, connect port 1 of the 424 to port 1 of the 825.
Test the wireless and see if you can get on the net. If that fails, test it by connecting it WIRED to the 825 and see if it works again. If it still fails, double-check the steps I outlined. Missing one step will break everything.
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Sorry if I was not clear enough before. That is how I wound up setting up my network anyway. In reading through other forums, people said they could get Ethernet instead of cable if the FIOS guy would do it. When he had the FIOS (for lack of getting to technical) box open, I saw the cable and Ethernet input. I just could not convince him activate the Ethernet. The FIOS box will do Ethernet or cable output, but not both at the same time. The other issue I found from forums is the cable box IPs from Verizon must start at .100 apparently. I could take care of that with reserving IP for them through the reservation DCHP on the 825. The only thing I did not do was the assigning of the 825 correct from your response. The Actiontec assigned it .2 but I log on to .3 which I assigned it. But, everything works fine. Wish I had known I would get FIOS before I got the 825, but it is great and I like it. I may not have FIOS forever either. Maybe I can get them to switch the FIOS box to Ethernet output. What others wrote about how to make it work with the Actiontec in bridge seems easy enough. Or, Motorola makes coax to ethernet converters and with one of those I would not need the Actiontec at all. Maybe in the future then. Thanks for the help.