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[FurryNutz]

Is the configuration still working for Netflix and all other devices after updating FW?

[usalabs]

Is the configuration still working for Netflix and all other devices after updating FW?

I actually downgraded back to 1.21NA, so that I could still have the low/high priority settings in WISH, otherwise FW 1.23NA removes the low/high settings and gives everything high priority.

[FurryNutz]

Ok, thanks for letting us know. Glad it works now. Enjoy. 

[usalabs]

Ok, thanks for letting us know. Glad it works now. Enjoy. 

It worked as far as prioritizing devices, but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

After further testing I think I may have found the problem, (the free advanced DNS service), I disabled WiFi for about 6 hours, and I found, I can not get the to automatically use my providers DNS addresses, I either have to manually enter a DNS or use the advanced DNS service which enables the DNS relay by default, and by NOT using the service prevents all access outside the LAN.  It seems that enabling the Advanced DNS service is mandatory if internet access is required, even if manually entering a DNS such as google's public DNS 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, there is no internet access unless the Advanced DNS service is enabled,,,, which I believe is causing the LAN drop outs about 6-7 times in a day, and the router has to be manually powered off (pull out the power plug), then plugged back in, for the same amount of time.  It may look like I will have to dump the 4500 and go back to my old Netgear WGR614 v9, at least that one does pick up the auto DNS from my ISP, but does not have device prioritizing or QoS, which means I'll have to cancel Netflix and just tell my son to watch TV instead.

[FurryNutz]

Then you have the 4500 configured incorrectly as DNS relay nor Advanced DNS doesn't have to be used to access internet recourses. The Advanced DNS services are for D-Links DDNS services that were free back then. We found years ago that there were problems when using ADS. So most of us didn't use it.
When I use my 4500, these features are always disabled. I've always disabled these two features when I have GF configured for xbox gaming with one or two game consoles.

The 4500 should and does auto detect ISP DNS or you can input custom DNS IPs ON the router under Internet/Manual.

When you make these changes you have to either power off ALL devices before you make these changes or reboot all devices to clear out networking and DNS caches to see the new changes.

[usalabs]

Then you have the 4500 configured incorrectly as DNS relay nor Advanced DNS doesn't have to be used to access internet recourses. The Advanced DNS services are for D-Links DDNS services that were free back then. We found years ago that there were problems when using ADS. So most of us didn't use it.
When I use my 4500, these features are always disabled. I've always disabled these two features when I have GF configured for xbox gaming with one or two game consoles.

The 4500 should and does auto detect ISP DNS or you can input custom DNS IPs ON the router under Internet/Manual.

When you make these changes you have to either power off ALL devices before you make these changes or reboot all devices to clear out networking and DNS caches to see the new changes.

Yes I do know about cleaning the DNS resolver cache, cleaning out the browser cache, and rebooting all other devices:-

All Windows devices = command prompt: ipconfig /flushdns.
Chrome -> upper right corner 3 dots -> More Tools -> Clear Browsing Data -> Select from drop down - Clear the following items from - The beginning of time, then check all boxes and click clear browsing data button.

OK, I've completely started a fresh configuration by restoring to factory defaults, and after using the internet setup wizard and registering a pre-configured MAC address recognized by my cable modem (which can only be changed by my ISP), creating an admin password, changing the DHCP start and end address (192.168.0.2 - 192.168.0.198), then assigning DHCP reservations to MAC addresses, as well as running the wireless setup wizard, I've left every thing else as factory default, and only making rules for the port forwarding (DLink call it gaming), and WISH.

If the LAN still drops out and I have to constantly hard reboot, there'll be no option but to revert to my old router, and disable WiFi.

[FurryNutz]

Only other issue maybe the FW version your using. I remember v1.21 having some issues on wireless.
Since then on mine, I have v1.23 and has been and is the most stable. I have never seen any drop issues with my 4500 and Ive had it working to it limits. I'll admit i've never used WISH though. 

[usalabs]

Only other issue maybe the FW version your using. I remember v1.21 having some issues on wireless.
Since then on mine, I have v1.23 and has been and is the most stable. I have never seen any drop issues with my 4500 and Ive had it working to it limits. I'll admit i've never used WISH though. 

Well, I guess it's back to my old Netgear, but, before I changed it, this is what happened 7 times in 1 hour, and being that there's no way of adding attachment images to this post, I have to use my dropbox, and after I changed the router I was able to post this reply here in this forum, sooo, this is the link to a screenshot I took of the LAN drop out, refusing connection to the router's login page:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3555xknrdb0xj9y/Router-Screenshot.jpg?dl=0

To be able to have connection again and to outside the LAN, I have to hard restart the router,,, which I shouldn't do.

ADDENDUM
I contacted a Cisco professional, and he told me of a setting that is present in all modern routers no matter if they are Netgear, Dlink, Cisco, Linksys or any other, and that setting is enabled by default in most of them, there are some routers where that setting is disabled, and is the most dangerous setting that the router companies every created, and that is for uPnP, 'allow users to disable internet access' and according to his explanation "Allow Users to Disable Internet Access – This option allows the user to prohibit any connections.  Leave at default (Enabled)  if you want to be able to prohibit any and all Internet connections, which also includes the routers admin page.", he said most people take the default settings for granted, and not bother looking elsewhere, and only configuring the WiFi security and the admin password, other than that, most users just use the router as is, but that uPnP setting should never have been allowed, who in their right mind would allow 'ANY' user to disable internet connections?  So, I disabled every setting in the uPnP section, including uPnP, and I'm hoping this has fixed the dropping out, if not, then it's definitely back to the Netgear, but so far, the router has been running over night and no drop outs yet.

[FurryNutz]

Had you been disabling enabling that feature?
Yes this feature is on the 4500 and older generation models. However is no longer present on newer generation router. I believe D-Link removed this feature around 2008-2010 time frame.

Tell me exactly how you have the 4500 configured. This seems like a configuration issue which something the router is having problems with or a mis-configuration of a setting. IF this "allow users to disable internet" I would use default settings. I've never played with this feature and left it default. Thus I've never seen any issues with this feature for me

I would also update to v1.23 and test however if you can tell me what your configuring on the router, I can test this out on mine which has v1.23 loaded already.

To post pics here the forum:
Adding Screenshots In A Post

[usalabs]

Had you been disabling enabling that feature?
Yes this feature is on the 4500 and older generation models. However is no longer present on newer generation router. I believe D-Link removed this feature around 2008-2010 time frame.

Tell me exactly how you have the 4500 configured. This seems like a configuration issue which something the router is having problems with or a mis-configuration of a setting. IF this "allow users to disable internet" I would use default settings. I've never played with this feature and left it default. Thus I've never seen any issues with this feature for me

I would also update to v1.23 and test however if you can tell me what your configuring on the router, I can test this out on mine which has v1.23 loaded already.

To post pics here the forum:
Adding Screenshots In A Post

I didn't even know what the feature was for, and saw it enabled by default.  The only setting I configured, were the admin and user passwords, 'Gaming' port forwarding, WISH, WiFi security settings, the DHCP start and end addresses, and additions to the DHCP reservation list, everything else was left default.

I found using dropbox is easier.

OK, I updated to 1.23AN (after I saved the configuration), and the update reset the router to default,,,, if you reset your router to factory default, then look at the uPnP settings, you'll see everything in that section is enabled by the factory reset.  If it wasn't for that Cisco tech informing me about that uPnP setting, I would have still blamed the router itself, but since I disabled uPnP and all it's settings, the router has now been running for 6hrs and no drop out, or connection refused on the admin page.

[FurryNutz]

Ok. Keep those settings. There ok to keep enabled and as you see. Are needed. 

Let us know how it goes. You'll be fine. I still love the 4500 even though my ISP speeds are now beyond it's handling abilities. 

[usalabs]

Ok. Keep those settings. There ok to keep enabled and as you see. Are needed. 

The router has been running now for around 7hrs, with no incident, so I re-enabled those uPnP settings, and tested it 30 minutes a go, and a few minutes ago it dropped out, no internet and no admin page, I then disabled uPnP and all related settings, and now waiting to see if there's further drop outs, but I'm convinced now, that it was those uPnP settings, especially those one that allows users to prohibit internet connections, that was causing the drop outs, being that the router had been running for around 7hrs without incident.

Let us know how it goes. You'll be fine. I still love the 4500 even though my ISP speeds are now beyond it's handling abilities. 

My ISP just increased my speed to 50Mb/s D/L and 15Mb/s U/L, not that I've noticed any difference, my ISP speed test shows around 46Mb/s, but that's doing a test on a local system within the same state, but doing a test further afield, across the globe, the speed is around 24Mb/s.

[FurryNutz]

The only feature you need is uPnP, the other two should be disabled. The router should work with out issue if you have uPnP enabled only. Unless you are using some port forward configurations then upnp needs to be disabled.

Speed test should be with any GameFuel disabled. And always lan wired and using speed servers that are close to your location and have good response and speed results.

[usalabs]

Since I disabled uPnP and all it's settings (I don't trust uPnP, I would rather manually set port forwarding), and rebooted the router, it has been running for 1 day, 2 hours and 23 minutes, and not a single drop out, it seems it 'IS" the uPnP allow user to prohibit internet access setting, why it's there is beyond me, it's even there in the 1.23NA update, personally, I think that setting should have been removed from the beginning.

Thanks for your help FurryNutz, the router seems to be working great now.

[FurryNutz]

I use upnp on my routers. uPnP was fixed a long while ago.

Enjoy.