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[FurryNutz]

Ok, means that the 6120 is bonding 4 channels, probably on the down link and the PC link light means that the connection between the modem and 4500 is at Gb speeds. Thats good.

If you change anything on the router just be sure to reset the network settings on the 360's then power off. Don't set anything on them. Well you can input the HOST NAME to make it easier to see on the routers Network Settings page.  . After you do the factory reset on the 360s, just turn everything OFF then make ur changes on the router. Once changes have been made and the router has been fully rebooted, then turn on the 360's. I would run a few power ON and OFF tests between each one to see how the NAT status comes out. Turn 1 on first, and check NAT. Then turn on the other and check NAT. Turn them both back off then turn ON the opposite 360 and check NAT. DO this a couple of times. NAT should be OPEN all around if the router is set up right.

[Hard Harry]

Try setting the DNS on the Xbox static to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. If anything at the ISP level would cause a NAT issue it would be DNS. Not like the ISP is blocking the ports, otherwise you would ALWAYS be that NAT, and it would be that way for the entire neiborhood. Also resetting the network settings clears the DNS cache and netsh, so be sure to do that before setting the static DNS

[XS]

Since using global ports for my GF rules and disabling port specific rule for port 3074, I have yet to see either of my Xbox's with a moderate NAT.  I also use port triggering for my Xbox's.

Good luck with your set up guys.

[FurryNutz]

SO I got home and ran a few tests. With and with out DNS Relay. Both xboxes were OPEN NAT if powering either one ON using Specific Remote IPs.

So I figured all this DNS talk going on, why not re-run Name Bench to see if maybe there are newer custom DNS servers to use. Sure enough, it found a couple new ones. I input them into the manual Internet settings and rebooted the router. DNS Relay is OFF, GF and uPnP ON. Both xboxes are OPEN NAT. Was only able to play with 1 xbox however it was good gaming and ALL green bars in BO2.

None of the new DNS were Google related: 
NTT
OpenDNS-3
Speakeasy Seattle US

Will give some time using these new DNS servers a try. This may have been an issue the other night when I saw Moderate NAT on my xbox while the other was OPEN. 

I might suggest that drunkJug use NameBench to find some possible newer and faster working DNS servers to use for the 4500 and see if this might help some. You'll need to run Name Bench with a PC directly connected to the 6120. Takes about 5 minutes to complete the test.

[DrunkJug]

I just got in and am about to look at things. I migt hit you up here in a few Furry.

As far as namebench i have no idea what you are talkng about.

[FurryNutz]

http://code.google.com/p/namebench/

I'm available for the next 45 minutes

[DrunkJug]

Thanks again Furry. I ran that  namebench and it was taking forever and a day. Will have to run that on a saturday or something. 

[FurryNutz]

Ya it take about 5 minutes or so..shouldn't take anything over 10 minutes. At least thats what happend when I ran it on a Windows box. 

[DrunkJug]

Lol. I turned it off after about 40 minutes and it was nowhere near complete.

[FurryNutz]

Whoh, that shouldn't be taking that long.  Your PC was connected directly to the ISP modem? 

[DrunkJug]

Yessir. It most definitely was hooked straight into the modem.

[FurryNutz]

I'll try on my Mac Book Pro and see if there is any think I notice. I used Windows 7 and IE 9 yesterday. Took about 5 minutes to complete. Wonder if there is something going on there? Mac vs PC version of NB? Hmm. And your Mac is the only PC in the house?

[DrunkJug]

Yep. Apple to the bone. Almost hard to believe there is a couple MS XBOX's in my house lol.

All kidding aside maybe something on the name bench settings is incorrect. It went through a deal where it checked 4515 (or something like that) name servers (I think it was) using 40 threads at a time. It took forever. Then it immediately went back through them using only 6 threads at a time. The first run took almost 40 minutes. No way I was waiting over 6 times that long for this next round to complete.

[FurryNutz]

Did you have the first check box that had scan for Global DNS services? The first run I did, I didn't check this option, only had the best available regional check box. I used the default 250 queries and IE. I think the Data query source can vary.

[DrunkJug]

I think both boxes were checked. Also at the top it had automatically filled in the field box with the Open DNS numbers of 208.67.220.220 and 208.67.222.222