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The Graveyard - Products No Longer Supported => Access Points / Extenders => DAP-1522 => Topic started by: Eluder on December 28, 2012, 10:39:46 AM
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So I currently have both (sealed) the DAP-1525 and the DAP-1533 that want to use as a bridge to connect my home theater devices (360, PS3 and WDTV Live).
I'm wondering which of these two access points would be better to bridge to the DIR-857?
Logically the DAP-1533 should be faster since it's up to 450Mbps, but I'm wondering if the (assuming) newer DAP-1525 would provide better results?
Thanks.
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DAP-1533 would be the suggested DAP to get since it can match the WiFi connection speeds the 857 supports. I believe the 1533 and 1525 are about the same age.
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Thanks Furry, I was just thinking the DAP-1525 was newer since it's part of the amplifi product line while the DAP-1533 doesn't appear to be according to the packaging.
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Actually the 1525 is older, came out last year 2011. The 1533 was released this past summer. ;)
Yes the 1533 is not apart of the Amplfi line.
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Really? Interesting; any reason why the DAP-1533 is not part of the amplifi product line? What does it generally take for a product to fall under their amplifi lineup? :)
Thanks.
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We are not privy to such DLink knowledge here. :-\ I presume the Amplifi line was a limited product line with a set of certain class routers and a DAP model meant for this product line and product marketing for the next generation Gamefuel(QoS) engines and media streaming abilities. We can only speculate the reasons why the 1533 was not added. I don't know why the 1533 was not included since it was, at the time, the only official DAP model to support the 450Mb connection. However it's possible the 1533 is and was apart of the DIR-835 product line since it also does 450Mb connections and has the same case body style as the 835. Other than all this, I presume the 1533 would work great with the 857. One of these days I should get one. ::)
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I just hope that the DAP-1533 is going to be faster than the DAP-1525, my main use will be HD streaming to my WDTV Live connected to either of these bridges/APs.
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Should be. Just be aware that some streaming of raw video files could impact performance as some video files are high bandwidth files and WiFi just can't handle these files. I tested this using 5Ghz with a 450Mb Bridged AP connected to my boxee box and using the 857, still, raw BD files would not stream seamlessly with out the boxee buffering. All other files like ISOs, VOB and NetFlix worked just fine.
Also be aware of other external conditions line other near by WiFi radios can interfere with some WiFi operations. ::)
I still prefer wired over wireless for video and gaming. My 2 cents. ;D
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Oh, I'd much rather be on wired, but that's not possible in my condo cleanly. :)
I've used powerline ethernet (currently using it), but I'll likely return it as the cost is double that of extending my network via the DAP-1533, and although it probably will be faster, will it be enough of a difference? I dunno, guess I'll find out when I switch over.
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What is the distances between the router and the destination streaming device?
Any other WiFi routers in the area? Link> Use InSSIDer (http://www.metageek.net/) to find out. How many?
If are area if congested with other WiFi routers on 2.4Ghz, you'll want to use the 5Ghz radio range to get away from the crowded 2.4Ghz radios. ::) If there isn't any or only a few on 2.4Ghz, you should be ok.
I think the 1533 would be a good solution for you.
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I'd say 25 feet or so, not too far.
Lots of Wifi routers in the area being a condo sadly...
I'll try both bands and see which does better, but I'm going to assume the 5GHz band will likely perform better over all, and since the device won't be moving, it shouldn't have an issue of attenuation as I move away from the router.
Update: Just switched over from the D-Link DHP-541 powerline ethernet over to the DAP-1533 and so far so good. The only hiccup I had is when I was setting up the DAP, which I had temporarily in the same room as my router and PC, the Wifi connection was causing my wireless mouse to lag, which is odd since I setup the DAP to connect to my 5GHz network. Moved the DAP to the room with the TV, etc and so far so good. No mouse issues and streaming performance is great, connection is quite strong so I see over 400Mbps connection according to the DIR-857, so this is good so far. No issues streaming a 1080p video right now...
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Awesome. What mode is the 1533 running in?
Keep us posted. Enjoy.
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I've been using a DAP-1533 in bridge mode to the 5Ghz band of the DIR-857 for about a year now. I've been streaming 1080p content to my LG television, my Sony BDP590, and my Apple TV v3, and performance is great.
However, about a month or so ago, one of my family members discovered a great series on Netflix and began streaming the content. Well to make a long story short, the DAP-1533 failed - all the LAN ports went dead. Replaced the unit (on warranty), and low and behold after a week of heavy streaming (maybe 6 to 8 hours a day), the second unit failed the same way - all the LAN ports went dead. Again replaced the unit (on warranty), again after a week of heavy streaming the third unit failed again. This time I had a thermometer placed on top of it and discovered that the more that it streamed, the hotter it got - until it failed and then it cooled off...
In any case, I just got my fourth replacement (again on warranty - thanks D-Link). Fortunately, school is back in session, so the heavy streaming (and the high temperatures on the D-Link) have subsided.
Another one of my older DAP-1533s is almost off warranty. I popped the cover and saw that D-Link does not believe in heat-sinking the processor chips - they simply use real cheap thermal pads which barely dissipate any heat and those pads are simply stuck onto the chips using thermal tape (which eventually looses its stick after it gets too hot). To make this story short, I have ordered some H29 and H30 heat sinks - the H30's for the two big chips and the H29 for whatever is under the internal tin cover that is getting very hot. As soon as my old DAP-1533 goes off warranty, I plan to remove the cheap thermal pads and replace them with the proper heat sinks using J-B Weld Epoxy (which has good thermal transfer characteristics).
With my newer DAP-1533s, as long as they are on warranty, I'll simply keep using them and as they burn out, I'll get warranty replacements (thanks D-Link). BTW: The three proper heat sinks (two H30s and one H29) cost about 45 cents in total - so this is a cheap after warranty upgrade that should extend the life of the DAP-1533s if you are into heavy streaming.
Hope this helps someone else out there. I went through three units before I figured out what was going on. D-Link support wasn't terribly helpful (other than giving me an RMA). I do wish D-Link would spend the extra few cents per unit and use proper heat-sinks, it'll save them money on returns and replacements.
(Gee - I just put my hand on top of my DIR-857 wireless router while I'm streaming a movie and it is getting real hot! It's still on warranty, so I'm not going to pop the cover yet - but this router might benefit from an after warranty heat sink upgrade as well 8) )
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Been wondering if there was anyone else with the 1533.
I haven't seen this with my one 1533 I got, only that in bridge mode, it fails to pass along an IP address to a couple of my devices from the main host router. I only used it a few times after coaksing it to pass an IP address for XBL gaming. Seem to work well. I'm wondering if there is a heat issue with these when under heavy load. Is the unit horizontal or vertical when in use?
Other than the 1533, there isn't any higher speed DAP available yet. However the DIR-868L now has bridge mode. Also the DIR-865L is bridgeable as well.
I'll pass this along to D-Link and see what the say. This isn't good if it's failing under heavy load.
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Hi Furry,
To answer your question, I run the unit horizontally (vertical is not a real good option for me).
I have never had DHCP resolution fail when using devices connected to my DAP-1533s in bridge mode and I use all kinds of devices (mostly non-computer - such as SMART TV's, SMART Blu-Ray players, Media Streamers, etc.). Never had a problem, all these devices use DHCP and all acquired a good IP from the DHCP server on the DIR-857 (notably the DIR-857 sometimes looses track of what it has assigned, but the DHCP collision protocol prevents the same IP from being assigned multiple times). I think we all know the DIR-857 is less than spectacular in tracking and reporting what devices are connected on the LAN side...
BTW: I always assign a static IP to my DAP-1533 bridges so I can easily find them from my main computer WEB browser. Because the DIR-857 sometimes looses track of what devices are connected on the LAN side, using its table of connected devices wouldn't always find things that have been DHCP connected. Unfortunately, the DIR-857 does not track any devices with static IPs assigned (many other routers do track), so you need to maintain the "Hosts" file or other some-such mechanism for both the statically assigned IPs as well as the DHCP reservations.
Note: You need to be real careful that you do not have more than one DHCP service enabled anywhere on your LAN. That would cause problems!
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Thanks for posting.
Ya I only use IP reservations for all my devices accept for bridges or APs on the router always. They are static IPs. Yes this is a known thing with most D-Link routers not reporting Static IP assigned devices. There could be a reason why, not sure. Only has of late have I seen static IP addressed devices appear in the status list on some newer routers.
Have never had any issues with the 857 other wise and have enjoy it. I wish the DGL-5500 was the same. Still having problems on some things.
Ya I talked to D-Link about the 1533 and there is a known behavior problem with some devices not getting IP addresses from the main host router. Not sure if they will fix. Only seems to effect my Mac Book Pro and Xbox 360. I have been using mine in vertically. Seems to do well for the most part. I do like the static assignment on the 1533 and wish they would do the same for the 865L/868L in bridge mode, however will see. This also has been mentioned to D-Link.
I'm going to pass this along to D-Link as this seems to be a bad thing to happen with the 1533 under heavy load and I presume it should work well for streaming since it can do 450Mb connections. If the load is breaking functionality of the 1533, thats not good.
I've already done some heat temp tests on this board and used a laser temp gun to measure the 857 under load. From what I got back from D-Link, all were in spec. I did get a laptop cooler plate for it when I did run it just to be safe and worked well.
There a metal plate heat sinks under and over the main board so it does have pretty good heat dissipation I think.
Thread is here:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=50878.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=50878.0)
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Wow, I had no idea that other folks had this issue with the DAP-1533.
Mine has now failed 3 times with the ethernet ports going.
Really a poor poor product from DLink.
I'll likely get it replaced under warranty and sell it and get another product.
Don't feel like dealing with a 4th failed AP.
Oh to add, it's sitting vertically, with plenty of space around it, so heat isn't an issue.
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Well mines still working. Have you contacted D-Link support yet? If not, please do so we can get this tracking. Please get a case number and PM me the number. I'll keep in touch with my contact at D-link and see what can be done. The more people we get notifying D-Link about this, hopefully the sooner they will take a look and hopefully fix it.
Please keep us posted.
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Well mines still working. Have you contacted D-Link support yet? If not, please do so we can get this tracking. Please get a case number and PM me the number. I'll keep in touch with my contact at D-link and see what can be done. The more people we get notifying D-Link about this, hopefully the sooner they will take a look and hopefully fix it.
Please keep us posted.
Not for the third failure, I've been too busy to contact them and go through the trouble shooting before they deem it failed again...
I'll get to it at some point over the next few weeks... my warranty is until early next year, so I have some time.
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Ok, please contact them when you can. I'm also in contact with them as well for there review and hope something will come about for you and everyone else that has experience this.
If you already have a case # from previous calls, please PM me w ur name and I'll add this to my contact information to them.
Thank you for your time and patience.
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Do you have a working DAP currently or has the next one failed as well? I'm wondering if there is any other items to look at that could be causing the DAPs to fail, i.e. LAN wires, switches or router? I presume swapping of cabling as been done and testing of the DAP with out any other devices like a network switch have been done?
Please list any switches you use if any. Is your main host router the DIR-857?
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No, I don't have a currently working DAP, it failed a couple of months ago, but as I said, I didn't feel like dealing with it at the time as I was quite busy with work.
Yes, I've tried different ethernet cables, though how that would be the cause would baffle me.
The DAP is connected to my DIR-857 via wireless (I forget if that's bridge or AP mode right now, not at home to check).
I've tested the DAP every which way, it's failed for sure, since this is the 3rd time it's happened.
I'd rather not give out my personal info to be honest, even via PM, so I think I'll just get a product from another manufacturer after this one is replaced.
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Ok. Understand about private info. Could you send me the case # at least? I can see if we can get some resolution for you in mean time while your busy. I'll do my best for you.
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When I call support and open one sure...
I don't have an open case for my current failed DAP.
Thanks for you willingness to assist.
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Ok, keep us posted. Have a good day.
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So I finally tried calling support and after 20 mins of trouble shooting, I got disconnected.
Got a call back, and working on a new case # to escalate from your side Furry.
Furry, I've PM'ed you the case number... holding on the RMA until I hear from you, but I do have a time limit to submit the RMA, so hopefully you can assist in sufficient time.
Thanks.
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I've forwarded it on to D-Link, I can't promise anything...I'll keep you posted soon so that RMA doesn't run out...
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Thanks Furry, hopefully someone will pay attention to this case since it's pretty clear from my experience that there is a design flaw with this access point.
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Let us know how the Fan cooling test goes...very interested in those results...
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For over heating issues and users with DAP units that are out of warranty:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=56166.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=56166.0)