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Title: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on March 27, 2011, 10:51:00 AM
I am about to buy a Netbook from HP with windows 7 Starter.
But a few days back when I tried to connect my friend's laptop to my network using WiFi ,it accessed the Internet but did not detect any other XP computers on the Network neither could I ping them nor could I access their shared folders.Please help me access them.. Please show any screenshots if you can  :)

2)And What is N Draft?? and how is it different from WiFi-N?

3)And can I set up Guest Network so that I can give the connected computers Internet access but no               Shared Folder access..

THanks in advance
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: davevt31 on March 27, 2011, 11:10:07 AM
When you first set up the Win 7 machine you probably chose Home as the Network type and then set up a Homegroup, this is what is keeping you from seeing the XP machines.  You can either leave the Homegroup and not be in one or choose Work as the Network type and you will se the XP Machines.

Draft-N is what the specification was called before final approval of the Specs by the IEEE board.  When the specs became final and the hardware met the spec requirements theycall in WIF-N.

The Guest Zone does exactly that allows for Internet access, but no access to the machines that use the main Network connection.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: Hard Harry on March 27, 2011, 12:13:07 PM
I think you just need to change the work group name on the XP machine. Dave's answer would still work, because the default workgroup for XP is the default one for Window7 when it's set as a Work Network. When its set to home, I think its called "Homegroup". So just change the Workgroup name on the XP machine to "Homegroup" and you should be set. Either way would work though.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: davevt31 on March 27, 2011, 12:53:12 PM
HomeGroups are a new thing in Windows7, makes for sharing between Windows7 machines easier, but is a pain for non-7 machines.  The default Workgroup name is still Workgroup.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: FurryNutz on March 28, 2011, 06:55:36 AM
Were you able to resolve this issue?  ???
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: Hard Harry on March 28, 2011, 08:20:01 PM
Forums are like dinner tables. When it's quiet, that is usually a good sign. No noise=no complaints.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: FurryNutz on March 29, 2011, 07:24:22 AM
Amen  ;D
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: Sean1982 on March 31, 2011, 07:02:41 PM
Here is an easier method to work around connecting to XP Machines under windows 7:

Open network and sharing center, click change advanced sharing settings, Turn off password protection to make it easier while connecting with other windows 7 machines, and make sure file sharing is enabled... now here's the key part, windows XP will not except blank passwords for network connection. All you need now is to set a password for the user account that is being used. The network group isn't a factor here at all, you can use \\*IP Address or network name* (example \\192.168.0.100 or \\*username*-PC) when you click the start menu and run or the search for windows vista and 7. If you wish to share folders under windows 7, go to the folder you want to share and right click and properties to get to the security tab and make sure to add users in the permissions or even more simple, add *Everyone* and set permissions that way. Now you shouldn't have any issues with file sharing with other OS's other then windows 7.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: davevt31 on March 31, 2011, 07:21:02 PM
As long as the everyone group is added to the share with read access you don't even need an account to access the share.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: Sean1982 on April 01, 2011, 01:13:43 PM
As long as the everyone group is added to the share with read access you don't even need an account to access the share.

Sorry I wasn't talking about group, it's permissions, and yes you still need an account to access, without account and password, windows XP can't access.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on April 19, 2011, 02:43:30 AM
None of the above ways work........ :( BTW I was in hospital for the last 3 weeks thanks to brain malaria....so I could not reply to your posts.


As for the problem:
1- @davevt31 I left the homegroup but still the same.....
2- @Sean1982 I want no file sharing issues with any of the OS including 7 and XP.......bcoz it defeats the      whole purpose of networking and file sharing.Thanks anyway though...:)
3- @Hard Harry I will try out ur suggestion soon (within 6 hrs)
 

I know you people have been working hard for this issue but this problem is now very consistent in every house....So I think its better we work out a solution soon.
Kudos to u guys.....
And FurryNutz u ve 2908 posts and in level 11 Woah!!!!!
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: davevt31 on April 19, 2011, 07:56:07 AM
Open the Network and Sharing Center on the 7 machine(s).  Where you see it saying Home Netowrk, click that and a box will open up.  Choose Work Network and you should see the XP machines.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on April 19, 2011, 08:26:03 AM
Did that already.I have already choosen Work Network...but still nothing crops up..although in the XP when i choose "View Workgroup Computers" this Win7 computer's name shows up but when i double click it nothing happens.
In the Win7 computer
When I type "XPqwerty" (the xp computer's name). It says cannot find the computer on the network......




BTW this is not a win7 starter as i told earlier but win7 ultimate......
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: davevt31 on April 19, 2011, 11:20:13 AM
Double check these settings using the Advanced Sharing Link in the Network and Sharing center.
Turn Network Discovery ON
File and Printer Sharing ON
Public Folder Sharing I have OFF
Media Streaming is OFF
128 Bit encryption
Password protected sharing is OFF
Allow Windows to manage homegroup connections
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on April 21, 2011, 03:07:55 AM
same settings  here mate but still windows cannot detect "XPqwerty" on the network..... :-\
And the XPqwerty has the same WORKGROUP also the Win7 lappy.
on the Win7 this message appears:
Error code: 0x80070035
The network path was not found.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on April 25, 2011, 10:16:01 AM
But when I connect the win7 laptop using an ethernet cable to the switch it detects the other computers......
The switch is connected to the router....

Is the router blocking me from accessing the network thru Wifi???
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: davevt31 on May 01, 2011, 07:37:03 PM
Windows 7 introduced a new concept called HomeGroups.  These made connecting Windows 7 machines much easier, but can be a pain in the *** with older machines.

Pratjoehahn- check to see if WLAN Partition has been checked under Advanced > Advanced Wireless.  If it is checked - uncheck it.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on May 03, 2011, 04:51:15 AM
WLAN Partition is off.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on May 04, 2011, 09:00:05 PM
Look, I may be asking too much but this is one huge pain in everyone's brain to setup a network with both win7 and Xp computers.Please help me resolve this problem ASAP.Its been over a month and my patience is wearing thin.

Look cant the Dlink ppl talk with Microsoft sadists to come up with something or cant the Dlink ppl release an update which makes it easier to connect XP and Win7 machines.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: davevt31 on May 05, 2011, 04:31:18 AM
Don't know what to tell you, I have XP and Win 7 machines on my 655 and I have no problem with shared folders.
Try this unshare the folders and reboot the machine.  Reshare the folder, make sure you check the permissions tab that the everyone group is also listed there with the read alllowed.

The 615 can't be that much different than my 655.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: FurryNutz on May 05, 2011, 07:10:20 AM
Might I recommend that you use team viewer and allow one of us to remote in and check your router settings live and your PC network settings?
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on May 05, 2011, 11:09:30 PM
Might I recommend that you use team viewer and allow one of us to remote in and check your router settings live and your PC network settings?

Yeah sure but on which computer do you need team viewer...(XP or Win7 or both)??
I know what is teamviewer but Ive never worked with it but Ill figure it out.
I  had used ultra VNC before but had to uninstall it  bcoz Kaspersky treated it as a threat and used to show pop-ups every second...

Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on May 05, 2011, 11:58:27 PM
Teamviewer loaded in XP... Who wants to access my computer.. and when???
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on May 08, 2011, 06:02:20 AM
Look here guys, I have some good news as well as some bad news.......
I can connect to the XP PCs after I renamed them and the Win7 lappy.Now they are connected to the network WORKGROUP.
Here is my previous network diagram:
(http://s2.postimage.org/21rekkzl0/Network.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/21rekkzl0/)

Problem is I have to connect the Win7 lappy to the switch thru a LAN cord(RJ-45). And when I go back to WiFi-n the problem is back again.
Here is the new Network diagram:
(http://s3.postimage.org/27r589jus/New_Network.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/27r589jus/)

Now the question is - Why can't I access the network thru the WiFi-n:

The lappy is a Samsung N148 Plus running Win7 Ultimate and a Broadcom 802.11n Network Adapter.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: davevt31 on May 08, 2011, 08:56:05 AM
When you connect wirelessly, you aren't using the Guest Network are you?
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on May 08, 2011, 08:51:33 PM
No I dont think so coz DIR-615 doest have a guest network.(I think!!)
But in Advanced>Advanced Wireless I have these settings....

Transmit Power :   High
Beacon Period :    (20..1000)
RTS Threshold :    (0..2347)
Fragmentation :    (256..2346)
DTIM Interval :    (1..255)
WLAN Partition :   Disabled
WMM Enable :   Yes
Short GI :   Yes

 
BTW I my router is a Hardware Version: C2     Firmware Version: 3.03WW.  Is it very old??
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on May 09, 2011, 09:29:24 AM
Come on Man!! I really really wanna get some help here ....... and @Furrynutz where are u??? I am ready for anything that can solve my problem.
I already loaded teamviewer in my XP computer as Furrynutz said but I ve had no word from him since then.




Please Please Please Help me...... :/


Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: FurryNutz on May 09, 2011, 09:43:55 AM
Suggestions:
http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-196544-windows-7-won-t-recognize-xp-pc-in-network (http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-196544-windows-7-won-t-recognize-xp-pc-in-network)

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7it****etworking/thread/c3272ed5-debe-444b-9e14-709c0189ed19 (http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7it****etworking/thread/c3272ed5-debe-444b-9e14-709c0189ed19)

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/share-files-and-printers-between-windows-7-and-xp/ (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/share-files-and-printers-between-windows-7-and-xp/)
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: davevt31 on May 09, 2011, 10:36:42 AM
You have top be patient - we are users just like you.  I don't have a 615 so I can just give general information, not sure what Furry has but i think its is one of the DLG's.

Might not even be the router- could be a software firewall that needs to be configured to recognize the local network.  I have seen some of those be the cause of a bunch of problems.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: FurryNutz on May 09, 2011, 10:56:50 AM
Yes we don't have a 615 and I have a DGL however we can assist in the forums by using the emulators DLink has provided us to help get an idea of the UIs for each router.  ;D I guess he'll have TO be patient then. Hehe.
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on June 16, 2011, 08:33:08 AM
Mate I see the Win7 computer on the Network in server but i cant access it when I double-click on it.
But I cant access any XP computer thru the lappy

In this case the Win7 lappy is
connected thru WiFi
Has the following "Advanced sharing settings"
-Network Discovery turned on
-File and Printer sharing on
-Public folder sharing on
-Media streaming on
-40 or 56 bit encryption
-password protected sharing off
-allowing windows to manage homegroup connected

*Network set as Work Network
*Workgrup is "Workgroup"


But I had got access to all my computers ( xp to win7 and win7 to xp) by doing something to the settings but now I cant.Dunno why???


and now when I create the network map it shows :

WIN7_________________?Unknown______pratrouter(name of my router)__________Internet

And that question mark is "big blue question mark" icon having a name Unknown.
Its a good sign because last time the network map was similar to this when it was stable.... :) :) :) :) :) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Windows 7 computer does not detect other XP PCs on Network
Post by: pratjoehahn on June 16, 2011, 09:56:55 AM
 UPDATE  UPDATE  UPDATE
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Mates when I connect thru LAN or Ethernet cable I can see the XP computers but I cant when I am connected thru WiFi.
But once I had actually done that. Plz help me