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D-Link Wireless Routers for Home and Small Business => Information => Archive => Topic started by: XS on February 10, 2012, 07:00:10 AM
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Ok, I decided to monitor my internet sessions on my router while my son was logging into XBL and playing a game of MW3 on his Xbox (Xbox #2). I saw the correct IP address show up in the logs but not once the whole time he was playing was the priority set to what I had set up in Game fuel, it was the default high priority of 128. (I use the XBL sticky guide)
Then I noticed his Xbox was not listing port 3074 next the IP but some other random port in the 17000's range, so that explains why his Xbox was not using my GF rules.
I looked at the system info in the Xbox dash board and it had this same port number listed there as well and not 3074.
So I changed the GF rules from just isolating port 53 and 3074 and included all the ports 1-65535 in the manual rule and had him play another game.
This time I saw the correct priority settings applied to his Xbox but it was only four times (connections) with a "state" of "est" and the rest of the connections that came from his Xbox had a priority of 128. The "state" for each of these connections were a dash (-). I double checked the IP ranges and the port ranges in my GF rule and they were within the GF range to have the higher priority. These were outbound connections so I would think it should have the prioirty setting I entered in the GF rules????
Other questions:
Why is Xbox#2 using a port in the 17000 and not port 3074?
Why doesn't all the out bound traffic have the priority setting I have entered in my GF rules? because they were UDP and not TCP???
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Is gaming performance good or seem laggy when in this condition?
>DGL-4500 Gaming and Gamefuel for XBL (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=10435.0)
Also:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=65732.0 (http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=65732.0)
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More info:
I may have an answer to why not all the out going ports had the correct priroty in the log, when I first created the GF rule I only selected protocol UDP but I changed it to both and I thought I tested after I fixed the rule but maybe I did not.
Anyway, I can test that again tonight however what concerns me right now is why XBOX#2 using a different port?
I guess that explains why my som lags a lot when we play together, his pritory is 128 and mine is 40....
Furry, my Xbox has the correct port associated with it, port 3074 so the GF rules work for my Xbox. I have not played on his Xbox in a loing time so I am not sure if he is lagging.
However with the way the GF rules were set up, XBOX#2 was using the built in GF rules
I know he lags when we play together.
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Are you using the same rule to include his xbox in the range or do you have different rules set up for each xbox?
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Here is how I had the GF rules set up. I have the local IP range crossed out but both Xbox IP's were included in the range. As you can see it does not include that 17000's port that his Xbox uses. I know how to fix this, just not sure why his XBOX is using a different port?
Does your XBOX's alll use the same port or different ports?
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It's possible that only 1 xbox can connect to 3074 at a time and could be that if your turn your xbox on first and your sons 2ndly, the router could be doing something else. What happens if you let your son log in first and get connect then you? Same thing? And if you change FROM and TO ports from 3074 to 0-65535, does his xbox connect correctly then to 3074 or is 17000 still seen?
I don't have my 4500 online at the moment however will try this next week.
What FW version is currently loaded?
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FW 1.23NA is installed.
When I ran this test, only his XBOX was on. yes his xbox when I changed the port range stayed in the 17000 range, this port number did not change, it was static. I just forget what the exaxt port i# was at the moment but it did not change to 3074 or any other port while running these tests.
I may just create a separtate rule his Xbox and ports or I can just leave it to one rule and cover all the ports 0-65535.
I am wonder if other people who have mulitple Xbox set-ups if their router is doing the same thing? if so, they will need to update thei GF rules too.
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Having a buddy of mine check his set up right now. He's got 2 xboxes and the 4500. Will have him post his results.
Can you give a step by step details on how you did your testing so he can review it and try the same thing?
How is your xboxes connected to the 4500, wired or wireless?
Also can you post a picture of your internet sessions with the 17000 entries?
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Yes both are hard wired. The test is easy, just log into XBL and MW3 pull up the internet session in the router under "status" have him look at the local column for each Xbox and see what port is being used next to each XBOX IP address and what the priority is under the priorty column, 128 as you know is the default priority.
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Ok will post results...if we can. ;D
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Ok, heres a screen capture I see his is doing the same thing however isn't using 17000 like yours is. IPs for his xboxes are .30 and .31.
(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa396/furrynutz740il/XBLInternetSessions.jpg)
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2nd capture:
(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa396/furrynutz740il/XBLInternetSessions2.jpg)
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Hmm, it looks like his Xbox's are using the same ports 3074 though, unlike my sons Xbox but his priority is also 128 but I am not sure how he has his GF rules set up.
Keep in mind I did see the correct priority for 4 connections when I updated the GF rules however every connection after that went to 128. I will have to test again now that I know I have the protocol set to both and not just TCP.
My sons Xbox is a slim and my Xbox is the older white one, I wonder if this has anything to do with port assignment. I find it odd that when I went in the system setting it listed the IP and the port #17510 in the dashboard.
Okay I forgot I sent myself a screen shot of his Xbox. His Xbox is .198 and my PC is .199. as you can see the priority settings are working for my PC just not for Xbox #2 in this pic.
(https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pwI7RNyNyrQvlihdYi_PGNCeAwTATCcctKY6aEWNdj5mQPG5nWs1doS3_whzsfC4BTW7i1d1M6IyIIzQss5Peuw/loading%20map.JPG?psid=1)
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Actually I think your buddies is working correctly if he has the same rules as have I listed above for my xbox's. It looks like that every 3074 port that had 128 as priority was out of the IP range for the GF rules?
How does he have GF set up?
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Very strange...I asked him to take a capture of his GF rules list.
Does your sons xbox do this when yours is turned off?
I have his set up like mine and whats in the sticky, IP ranges vs ports. Only using 53 and 3074. Priority 1 I believe. No PT or anything else.
I'll ask what model boxes hes got. <He's using both new Slims.
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Yeah that screen shot is with my XBOX off and his on. I am baffled as well, because for what ever reason his Xbox is not using the standard XBL ports however it connects to the correct XBL ports on the other end 3074.
When I get home I will check his XBOX settings in the dashboard and see if there is any option to delete this 17510 port. I know the network settings are set to auto right now but you never know.
Thanks for your help and telly your friend thanks for the screen shots! ;)
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Heres his GF rules.
(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa396/furrynutz740il/Screenshot2011-06-10at32210PM.jpg)
I might presume that yours sons xbox could be the issue.
The xbox is set up for automatic?
One thing you could try, remove the reservation on his xbox on the 4500, remove his IP address from the GF rule. Try testing the xbox with Automatic then set a static IP address ON the xbox and see if the exhibits the same thing.
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Ok, I only skimmed through the first page, but I think I understand the bulk of the confusion. To put super simply, when using multiple Xbox (or any series of devices running the same traffic on the same ports) its better to use UPnP for to dictate port control.
The whole point of point forwarding is to tell the router which specific LAN IP (192, etc) to direct traffic on a certian incoming port. If your telling the router to direct it to two places, it can't obide. So as soon as the first request (which ever Xbox makes the request first) is put into the routing table (aka Internet Sessions) any second request is filtered through UPnP. UPnP uses random ports not assigned by IANA and thats why your seeing it use 17510. Also, take note, traffic from Xbox to XBL and XBL to Xbox is not a loop. It you put traffic out on A, it doesn't come back on 1. Take a request for a website for instance. The request for the site will go out on port 80, and that's why if your running a webserver on your network you forward thet port 80 request to the machine running the server. When the server actually sends data out, it can be on any number of ports. So your incoming isn't going to be 80, but 36280 or 40742 using examples from below.
Theres more to your issue though, so don't take what I said as the end all solution, just thought I would shed some light on it. I will try to post more when I get back from work.
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Thanks Harry, good to see you again on here. ;)
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Thanks for your input Harry, where have you been? Anyway good to see you post again.
Okay back on topic, what you are saying makes sense and I was wondering the same thing. I have a couple of things I can try to see what happens.
I can restore the factory default network settings on the XBOX dashboard and then connect to XBL to see if the port changes to 3074.
Or, disable port triggering under "special application" in the router settings and see if both XBox's start using port 3074 or picks another random port.
Or leave everything alone and turn off UPnP but just as a test to see if that does anything.
I am thinking if everything is working how it is supposed to and UPnP is using a different local ports to speed XBL traffic up, I could just figure out which ports it is using and set up rules and port triggering for it (if they're static or I can just set a range).
This may be the best method since I would assume traffic on two different local ports is going to be faster than one port sharing all the traffic.
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Update:
I was able to run a few more tests last night, I found out that it happens on both Xbox's. Which ever Xbox I turned on first had port 3074 and the Xbox I turned on second would have a random port associated with it. So both Xbox's are having this problem.
I also confirmed the answer to this question earlier,
"Why doesn't all the out bound traffic have the priority setting I have entered in my GF rules? because they were UDP and not TCP???"
Answer: I did not have "both" selected for the protocol in the GF rule.
Okay so this what I did last night and the results:
In network settings in the dash board I reset to factory defaults on the XBox = no change.
Disabled port triggering under "special applications" = no change.
Disabled UpnP= No change.
So for what ever reason my router will not let both Xbox's use the same ports. I also think I found an easier way to check what port each Xbox is using for gaming through the dashboard. However I would like to see this happen a few more times before I commit to it.
Maybe someone else can give it a try and confirm or deny it.
Turn on Xbox, sign into XBL and when on the dash board select "settings"=>"system"=>"Console"=>"system info" and in the top right corner it should tell you your IP and what port number it is using for XBL.
Anyway, so right now I have a GF rule set up to cover all ports for each Xbox until I/we get this figured out.
This weekend I am going to see if it happens with GF disabled and if so I will save my config file and do a factory reset on my router to see what happens.
Any other ideas????
Also, could my modem be causing this problem?
Its a Cisco DPQ3212, DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem.
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" I turned on second would have a random port associated with it. "
Exactly. You can only use a single inbound port for any associated MAC address. Thats just how NAT works. UPnP works around that by using UDP traffic to cordinate a set of random private ports. So what ever Xbox goes online first gets associated first with the 3074 port. Even if you turn off that Xbox, as long as the session time is active (see internet sessions under status) it won't allow the port open for any other device. Thats why with Multiple Xbox's, UPnP is the way to go. You can use gamefuel still, since that just sets traffic priority to the outbound, and not port forwarding on the inbound (or server outbound if you may).
Turn on Xbox, sign into XBL and when on the dash board select "settings"=>"system"=>"Console"=>"system info" and in the top right corner it should tell you your IP and what port number it is using for XBL.
I can confirm this. The IP is the public IP given to your router by your ISP. And the port is the port XBL logged that IP as signing into it's network under. BTW, don't share that IP on these boards, but nice trick. Never noticed that myself. ::thumbs up::
Also, could my modem be causing this problem?
Its a Cisco DPQ3212, DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem.
No, not your modem. Thats a standalone data/phone eMTA. Just remeber with a modem like that unplugging the power doesn't reset it. It likly had a battery.
This weekend I am going to see if it happens with GF disabled and if so I will save my config file and do a factory reset on my router to see what happens.
Best advice I can give is save your config and factory reset. Then just set DHCP reservation for your two Xboxs and make sure UPnP is on. Then turn off both 360, reboot router, wait until its online then turn 1box on and sign in. Then turn the next xbox on and sign in. One you have them both working and connecting properly then you can set QoS rules. But unless you have other people using traffic while your gaming, they aren't going to help you much. Traffic management only helps....if there is..traffic to manage. ;-)
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Well, if I did not have the screen shots of the random ports, I would think I am going crazy. When I ran some tests yesterday with both Xbox's are on, both were using the same local port 3074 but one of the Xbox's had a random port on the NAT side (NAT=The port number of the LAN-side application as viewed by the WAN-side application) and had the correct priority.
So yesterday my game fuel rules were working. So I am not sure what happened the other day????
Anyway to avoid the game fuels rules not working with both Xbox's on, I just created a new rule for both Xbox's that covers every port and disabled the port specifics rules.
I will see how it goes!
Thanks for everyone's help!
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Harry, do you think port 53 is needed in the rules or any rules or can the xbox use it along with 80 and 88 with out too much trouble? I'm wondering if we could narrow down the port rules even more by just using 3074? I presume that 53 is just for common Internet items used by the dashboard and applications with in? Games wouldn't really need to have any need for 53 to be loaded in the rules anywhere?
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I took screen shots and different times while loading and playing.
Logging into the main menu in MW3 there was a lot of port 80 showing up. In the lobby was mostly port 3074. Loading MP in MW3 was ports 80, 443 and 3074. There also some random ports showing up during these times as well.
I only saw port 53 show when first initially logging into XBL from the dash board.
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Hmm...makes me think that port 53 isn't needed in the rules.
Can you get a snap shot of ports while you or your son is gaming?
I wonder if we should add port 80 and 443. ???
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Furry,
I have them edited and ready to go, do you want me to e-mail them to you or just post the screen shots?
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Post please :o
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Signing into XBL from the dash board
(https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pqtYvLzuPWbARQK2fdUcGVeyftjBKZ7daAQy9EsZP20npXeQGGvng0OhDow68ARtHEsUfBUshUQiyzk6iiKMp0w/sign%20into%20xbl.JPG?psid=1)
At MW3 main menu after selecting to start MW3 disc (game)
First screen shot:
(https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pbhEKZWohovCpUGnJamwYdn4970XlG-ipa_2vpnf6mEoPqCRl6jdwYnf67swKM0YCEOnNj6Vt2AEJwhEANzdm8g/mw3%20main%20menu%201.JPG?psid=1)
Second screen shot at main menu.
(https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pRpXZcyKy4i9iA7BPF4XYndrpDVjf5QHdEjZ-cWoMrR0MvWVIL352Hp3Vgaag1NDxYq_WgnnktbvDEMHxsm3a0A/MW3%20main%20menu2.JPG?psid=1)
Pressing A at the MP screen to log into XBL COD servers
(https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pqtYvLzuPWbAPlxEu0SPVU99TjsIPRR6pzCy_CeBP2iXGp6_OUABp8WGEvORABDM_Gcr8T4FZTvd_UbL4HSi-oQ/MW3%20MP%20log%20in.JPG?psid=1)
While finding a match to play.
(https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pbhEKZWohovB5vc-6_AjgJ3V4lv_JK_ogiaArVPt_vwih-4yDo-nqL01AxFSTZ5NyoQOzg4GU9PHxF3CzFHgP_Q/Finding%20match.JPG?psid=1)
Match is found and map is loading for the game to start. Wrong local ports but you can see the XBL ports on the other side.
(https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pI9mh3g2mXv7UXaNygb3GIPTUK7TRR35_OW3RtZ7_N77B1YJzWn1fLmFPytpfoMBigzj6O__CVcVrc_gIWvJ-dw/loading%20map.JPG?psid=1)
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Seem like 80 is used while the game is being loaded and initial getting to the room, some 443, then mostly 3074 is used while actually gaming.
Any chance you see this same test using a non COD game like GoW or Halo game? Don't have to post pics.
What this with these particular ports in the rule or just 3074?
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.197 is my Xbox and .198 is my Sons.
Here is a screen shot of my son during game play when his ports were messed but you can seee the XBL ports.
(https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pLTCAEggGaI19vBFFmgepdM6ez61MHxU89py2z9AyEYQuYTua08nTwXFEPv0e20vHuLGgby_oYcov5roRCD9YEg/wrong%20ports%20gameply.JPG?psid=1)
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Seem like 80 is used while the game is being loaded and initial getting to the room, some 443, then mostly 3074 is used while actually gaming.
Any chance you see this same test using a non COD game like GoW or Halo game? Don't have to post pics.
What this with these particular ports in the rule or just 3074?
I never play those game online so I am not sure, i can do a test run later when I have time to see. I am pretty sure port 3074 is the main gaming port. However as you can see on that last screen shot there are some random high ports....
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Yes. Seems like 3047 is the main one.
How do you have the router set right now for GF? You have PT still on or OFF?
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The screen shots with the Xbox .197 and a priority 64 is with the GF rules set up to cover every port, 1-65535. remote IP 0.0.0.0 - 255.255.255.255. This is how I have it set up now just in case the router wants to use some random port on one of the xbox's while me and my son are playing together. So that way we will have the same priority no matter what.
PT is enabled.
Oh here is a screen shot with GF set up per your sticky: Note I forget if this screen shot was while loading the map to start the playing or waiting in the lobby.
(https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pvrH9Gv-Uy9N-OClJ6FDJH2OaQZEFCwLqhXZUdMM3ASxY6qZbqDF82T04XGKwEWs-hoODxZ9s-Vuk4mQQgtks8Q/fury%20MW3%20GF.JPG?psid=1)
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Would be great to have a screen shot of actual game play if possible using my sticky.
I see that when you didn't use my sticky, Local and NAT used some random port, while mine kept the specified port.
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No, my son was playing Madden on his Xbox so he had port 3074 already linked to his Xbox on the NAT side other wise if only my Xbox was on it would have been using port 3074 on local and NAT side.
Harry and I have confirmed this to be true.
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I'd like Harry to review this.
I'm curious if we need to keep using port 53 or any of the others in a rule or just only 3074 when using GameFuel?
I've only used 53 and 3074. I've never needed to PF or PT any of the other ports that MS recommends doing to.
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Harry, do you think port 53 is needed in the rules or any rules or can the xbox use it along with 80 and 88 with out too much trouble? I'm wondering if we could narrow down the port rules even more by just using 3074? I presume that 53 is just for common Internet items used by the dashboard and applications with in? Games wouldn't really need to have any need for 53 to be loaded in the rules anywhere?
Here are the ports as I understand them:
Port 53: DNS
Port 80: Http
Port 88: XBL login verification system
Port 3074: Match making system
So to answer your question, port 53 is needed, but I don't think it would effect gameplay. If the router wasn't passing DNS info I doubt it would get on at all. I think once your in the game though, it uses ARP requests for IP routing so doesn't need domain resolution. So maybe think of Port 53 like the starter on a car? You need it to start, but once your going it does very little. Port 80,81,and 443 are tricky though. I don't know why the 360 would need inbound 80 open. Outbound, sure, every computer on your network uses that, I doubt your firewall is going to block it, but why does your Xbox need it? Ok, maybe with the new dashboard advertisement and integrated Bing ::gag::..but still. I think prioritizing 80 for your 360 when it barley uses it while the rest of your network always uses it can create performance issues. Yet Xbox still insists to forward those ports on their support forum. ::shrug:: Go figure.
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What I was kind of thinking Harry. Thank you sir.
XS, can you run this same test and only use 3074 in the GF and turn off PT. Use the specific Remote IPs as well.
I'd like to see if only using 3074 as the port in GF and let the router automatically use the others, as needed, would effect anything. I don't think it should.
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Thanks Harry, actually the only ports you are supposed to forward for XBL are 3074 TCP/UDP and port 88 UDP. The other ports should be opened but not forwarded.
Furry,
To be honest the only reason why decided to even mess around with the GF rules and stuff was because I feel like I lag more than I should, not too bad just a little lag. Really the main reason is because at least half the time when me and my son are on, one of us leaves the game because of real bad lag. I am hoping that the router actually was/is giving one of the Xbox a random port # on the local side instead of both port 3074 when we are both playing MW3, because that would explain why one of us is lagging. One us would have priority 40 while the other was priority 128.
Anyway, if port 3074 is really the only important port I could just keep the GF rules on all the local ports (1-65535) but only prioritize port 3074 on the remote ports.
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Makes sense. Let us know what happens when you set up GF in that way. It will be a good test. I'm still concerned that one of your 2 xboxes is lagging. I do notice lag here and there and thats mostly due to the WAN side of the router and someone else and there connections. Like last night.
I'm wondering if this could be a router issue or modem issue as well. Do you have a different router by chance? Doesn't have to be a DGL or a DLink. Would be a good test to try out a different router for this lag issue. When I had my roommate, he was connected wireless to my 657 while I was wired. I asked him if he notice anything while gaming, said everything was great accept for the occasional in game lag that we both noticed. The router is still set up as the sticky says.
Let me know if you don't have another router. Maybe we can work that out as I have some spares.
I guess I should reconnect my 4500 again however my roommate as recently moved out. ;D So i get to hog the gaming all to myself again. ;D
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Thanks Harry, actually the only ports you are supposed to forward for XBL are 3074 TCP/UDP and port 88 UDP. The other ports should be opened but not forwarded.
Well in my research when I was writing a sticky that's still in "beta" I found some conflicting info. Mainly, this is caused by a "better safe then sorry" approach to networking alot of support staff take. Or maybe it would better to call it the "Forward ALL the ports" ::insert meme here:: approach. :
Here is a example (http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-live/connecting/nat-type-strict) of the closest walk through I could find on Xbox's support page about Ports and how they relate to NAT. You will notice they say "Open the following ports", not foward, but open. However here (http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-live/connecting/network-ports-used-xbox-live) points to Portforward.com as it's suggested method and gives this specailized link: http://portforward.com/english/applications/port_forwarding/XboxLive360/XboxLive360index.htm (http://portforward.com/english/applications/port_forwarding/XboxLive360/XboxLive360index.htm) but that hasn't been updated in a while, so doesn't have the DGL-4500. You find it else where on the Portforward site but all it is are the instructions for the DGL-4300 renamed for the 4500, same pictures and everything. But I digress, my point is as you see in the Portforward instructions they show how to use "Gaming" which is a port forwarding method. At first I thought they just left out the LAN IP, but noticed that is blank until you fill out your IP at the start of the page.
Heres what I think happened. Xbox gets alot of calls on NAT and configuration issues about people's router that is outside their support. Their Reps just send people to Portforward. Someone complains, either a customer or some Xbox boss, that they should have something specfic for Xbox. Xbox asks Portforward.com to make a specific group for 360 users. Portforward just draws from it's current image and instruction stock but makes it specific to Xbox ports. Portforward asks Xbox what ports they use. Xbox sends a list of ports "used" or required to be open. Portforward...being named portforward and all, instead shows how to forward the port. Forwarding a port does have the effect of opening it, like taking the door of it's hinge has the effect of opening it, so it works. No one actually stops and reads what they are telling people to do. Other forums read Xbox's support site and portforward it, then see other random ports opening up to their Xbox and think they must have been missed, and add it to their walk through. And the whole thing grows off each other until the whole thing is more about instructions then logic.
Ok, I didn't mean to go so deep there so I will simplify it to some main points.
1. 3074 needs to be forwarded, and only when something is keeping UPnP from working correctly. All the other ports just need to be open.
2. Gamefuel is for traffic prioritization only, and does not effect NAT or really even lag for that matter. It only really helps if you get lag when other people use the network when your playing a game. Proof of concept: Set up your router with GF rules and get everything to work, disable GF, turn off Xbox, reboot router, turn on Xbox. Is NAT still open? I bet 100 nerd points it will be.
3. Take note that the first suggestions Xbox makes for NAT problems is let UPnP do it. This is the easiest, and in most cases, the best way, specifically with multiple Xboxs. If UPnP isn't working, I would try to find out why instead of bypassing it. JMHO.
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God I want to make this thread a sticky... ::)
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The more the merrier.. ;)
Granted, the forum starts to get cluttered with all of the stickies..
Can you guys create one thread (Like a FAQ) and link back to the threads that were once stickied? It would make it less cluttered.
..just a suggestion. Not sure if you guys are allowed to do that or not.
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Its a good idea. I think they are working on a couple possible ways of going about the same thing though. Could have a scrolling pane above the standard forum. Or a link back, like you suggested. Best idea I heard though is to use a sub-forum. But I don't think it should be manitory. Only in forums where there are 6 or more stickies. It would also help if they...nope, not going to do it. Won't go on a 3 page post. :-)
Long story short; Good idea! 8)
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I'll see what I can do. Might have JavaLawyer help me on this. He's done a great job on the DNS forums. ;)
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Furry,
yeah I have another router but its an older linksys WRH54 not sure it would even work since it is not a gigabit router.
Harry,
I agree there is conflicting info about PT/PF and I think you nailed it on the head about that portforward website. However PT/PF is a whole thread on its own, lol.
Anyway back on topic, right now I have a couple concerns. One is the random port that could be used by one of the Xbox's when we are both playing. I have no idea why or how it happened that day or how frequent this happens.
Now I do not feel comfortable setting up the GF rules for only local port 3074. This leaves me with two options.
1. Set the ports for local and remote to 0-65535.
2. Set the local ports to 0-65535 and the remote ports to 3074.
If option 1 is used, than ALL traffic will be prioritized and I think I recall seeing data that showed this not to be the best or most effective way to manage traffic. Who knows this may even cause lag with MW3 being so sensitive.
If option 2 is used, what is the deal with the other traffic on the other ports during game play, is it actual game traffic or something else? (see my post at the top of page 3)
Also, I noticed there is gaming traffic on local port 3074 (17510) but it using a different port than 3074 on the internet side, is this actual gaming traffic since it originate from local port 3074? If so with option 2 in the GF rules this traffic will not be prioritized....
So what is the best set up for GF with multiple Xbox's if there is a chance one of them will be using a random port instead of port 3074?
I have all ports covered both local and remote right now and I feel the connection is not as good when I had the GF set up per the XBL sticky but it is hard to tell and could be a placebo effect.
Thoughts?
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I can send you one of mine if your interested.
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I could give that older linksys a try and see what happens and keep checking the logs to see if one of the Xbox's is using a different port when we play together. Who knows maybe it was a one time thing...........
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could at least to see the port usage if it can track that like DLink does.
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Okay, here is another screen shot during game play last night, note the IP address in the red box under internet column. Since I saw one of my Xbox using a random port instead of port 3074, it got me wondering if other people playing XBL have the same issue where one of Xbox is using a random port instead of 3074? If so, then if you have your GF rules set up per the sticky those XBoxs will have normal priority since they are using a different port. Now what does that do during game play if our router (DGL-4500) has that particular Xbox set to priority to 128 and the others ones to 1?
Anyway, I looked up the IP address that are outline in red and provided their host information, I am new to all this so I could be totally wrong and I may just be over analyzing this but the IP address look like other Xbox's. Maybe someone with more network knowledge can chime in. BTW, I have my GF set up for all ports both on local and remote side so that is why the priority is working in the screen shot.
Hostname: c-98-245-200-149.hsd1.co.comcast.net
Hostname: sc-cm-static-69-24-212-74.sumnercomm.net
Hostname: 165.95.254.226 TAMUK-gw.ttvn.tamus.edu >college station
Hostname: ip68-225-161-8.ok.ok.cox.net>Cox communications
Hostname: a184-86-221-XXX.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com >ISP Provider: AKAMAI TECHNOLOGIES
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I would presume those are connecting relay IPs for those random ports that the xbox uses when the router doesn't assign it the 3074 port and uses a different random port. This is interesting for sure. Must say, thank you XS for all the foot work your doing. ;)
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No problem, I think all household with multiple Xbox will assign a random port on the WAN side (modem) for every Xbox that is turned on after the first Xbox, looking at your buddies screen shots his .31 Xbox has the correct port on the local side, 3074 but on the WAN side (modem) it changes to 49930.
So what does this traffic mean to our DGL-4500?
I am not sure if my router messed the ports up or my modem on the local side. Is it possible my router tried to use local port 3074 but my modem blocked one of them so the router had to use a different port???
Anyway if you are not seeing this random port issue, you may want to set your local port to 3074 and in the remote port range, change it to 1-65535 and see what happens.
I am going to try this weekend as well when I have time because the way I have GF set up right now, I sware I see more lag and I am doing worse in game. Its probably coincedence though, lol.
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Want to try a different router and see? ::)
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Thanks for the offer furry, I will keep that option in mind. I may have another challenge to deal with besides time, my sons XBL expired yesterday so I may be done running tests for now. However if he renews it, I would like to see these random ports happen again before swapping out the router or modem. Maybe something was messed up in my Xbox network settings and when I restored the factory settings in fixed it, too many variables. :-\
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I know...what modem do you have again? SB what?
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Cisco Model DPQ3212 8x4 DOCSIS 3.0 Cable Modem, you barfed last time you saw this, lol.
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Thats why I forgot what you had. ;D
I have a spare SB 6121 and a 6120 for loan as well. ;D
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LOL, yeah I can't find any thing bad about the modem on google and I even think Harry said it was pretty good. Very limited info on it.
Anyway I will also keep that in mind, I was thinking about buying one of those Modems but speed is usually not the issue. My ping fluctuates at peak times but I am still getting what I pay for so I am sure if it will be a waste of money to buy one.
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Never hurts to have a spare on hand though. ;)
SB 6120 Bonding 4x4, orginal case.
SB 6121 Bonding 4x4 New case and a MoCA filter <Something end users would need to be concerned about?
Well unless they have a whole home DVR or something that uses MoCA, then no.
SB 6180 Bonding 8x4 New case, no filter.
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Cisco Model DPQ3212 8x4 DOCSIS 3.0 Cable Modem, you barfed last time you saw this, lol.
Nothing wrong with the DPq3212, its just a DPC3010 with a Cisco voice adapter attached. Just make sure your battery health is good...or even just take your battery out. (Against ISP ToS probably but what ever). I doubt your issue is your modem though.
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Stupid IW, I was in this lobby and the lag was real bad, I traced everyones IP and there was guy from flipping Ireland and Canada!!!!
Update: IP located in Ireland is Demonware server, stat tracking etc. Should not be the cause of game lag.
http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Demonware (http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Demonware)
Anyway GF rules set up for local port 3074 and remote ports 1-65535, I think this might be the ticket due to the random ports on the other end! ;) My sons XBL actually expires tomorrow and he wants to renew so I will get screen shot of us both playing.
I also noticed with these screen shots anytime port 53,80,88 are on the remote end, it shows a random port for the local side. So I would think if you are going to add any of the other ports to the GF rules, you should change the local range to 0-65535 and keep the remote range to that specific port (80,88.53).
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65.55.42.52 Microsoft Hosting IP address state: Washington
209.170.124.205 IP address country: Ireland :o ISP of this IP [?]: Telia Network Services (see update above)
75.158.71.184 ISP of this IP [?]: Telus Communications –Canada :o
24.9.12.215 IP address state: Colorado ISP of this IP [?]: Comcast Cable
209.105.191.82 IP address state: Ohio ISP of this IP [?]: Fairpoint Communications
72.14.116.23 IP address state: Oregon ISP of this IP [?]: ISP Alliance Organization: Crestview Cable Communications
97.94.179.59 IP address state: California ISP of this IP [?]: Charter Communications
68.7.36.97 IP address state: California ISP of this IP [?]: Cox Communications
71.212.108.244 IP address state: Washington ISP of this IP [?]: Qwest Communications
97.113.10.216 IP address state: Washington ISP of this IP [?]: Qwest Communications
71.207.72.109 IP address state: Pennsylvania ISP of this IP [?]: Comcast Cable
174.134.252.211 IP address state: California ISP of this IP [?]: Bright House Networks
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The IP looks to route out of Vegas, but the player is probably in Ireland. And if I had to guess it's a game server run by Demonware for MW3? Hence you were playing MW3 on your Xbox.
Also yes, the only way you would ever see port 80 open on inbound was if you ran a web server off your network. The only think TCP requires port 80 for is for the request. Reason 3074 is open both in and out is because both you and the people are playing with are making requests from each other as you play. Lag usually isn't from latency but uncorrectables when the game has to either request for the data to be sent again or wait for data to come in from other players.
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Interesting Harry I just noticed that IP address 209.170.124.205 shows up on every internet session while gaming just like the MS IP address 65.55.42.52. Any idea why and why is it showing in Ireland???
Here is the info when I do an IP trace on both addresses:
IP address [?]: 209.170.124.205 Copy [Whois] [Reverse IP] IP country code: IE IP address country: Ireland IP address state: Dublin IP address city: Dublin IP address latitude: 53.3331 IP address longitude: -6.2489 ISP of this IP [?]: Telia Network Services Organization: Demonware Limited Local time in Ireland: 2012-02-22 14:50
Whats the deal with 209.170.124.203, located in the same place?
IP address [?]: 65.55.42.52 Copy [Whois] [Reverse IP] IP country code: US IP address country: United States IP address state: Washington IP address city: Redmond IP postcode: 98052 IP address latitude: 47.6801 IP address longitude: -122.1206 ISP of this IP [?]: Microsoft Hosting Organization: Microsoft Hosting.
Here is another screen shot when both my son are on at the same time. Notice how both Xbox are using the correct local port 3074 but on the NAT it using a different port just as we thought. Anyway you will also notice that you connect quite often to other Xbox's using a different port than 3074.
As mentioned before, you may want to update the GF rules on the remote port side to 0-65535 for local port 3074.
Anyway, it is good to see my set up working correctly and I hope it stays like this. This will probably be my last screen shot for MW3 unless someone has a request. I am going to test out Black ops and see what ports it uses since I read on portforwarding.com it using two additional ports besides 3074.
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http://whois.domaintools.com/209.170.124.205 (http://whois.domaintools.com/209.170.124.205)
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Thanks furry, yeah I should have googled it first.
more info:
http://community.callofduty.com/message/205392975 (http://community.callofduty.com/message/205392975)
http://www.demonware.net/ (http://www.demonware.net/)
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Good info, thanks for sharing.
I presume that if you used a different game, say Halo or something other than COD, that you'd see different results. ???
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I don't think so, all games should be using port 3074. Check out the link below and scroll too the bottom for XBL games and ports used. The only game I see using additional ports is Bops, UDP ports, 22728, 33233.
When I have time I will try out Halo, Bops and BF3. However I think we have this figured out, lol. Who knew me noticing one of my Xbox's using a random local port would lead to all this. :o Too bad this info is about 5 years late, oh well I guess it would still apply for any routers using QoS. ;)
Link to ports used for XBL games.
http://portforward.com/cports.htm (http://portforward.com/cports.htm)
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Ya we know the ports that MS games Should be using. LOL. Thanks for all the foot work man. This is good info. I'll make it a sticky when I can get the current stickies moved to a new folder.
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Just wanted to post an in game screen shot while playing Bops since portforward.com suggested that Bops using two additional ports besides 3074. Looking at the ports I believe PF.com is incorrect on the two additional ports. The screen shot looks identical to MW3.
Plus, if you check the FAQ at Activison no where does it state Bops uses these other ports.
http://activision.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/activision.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=28857&p_created=1288879645&p_sid=dSPhf*Rk&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_srch=1&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9Niw2JnBfcHJvZHM9NDcyLDE3NTAmcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PTIuMTc1MCZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9cG9ydHM!&p_li=&p_topview=1 (http://activision.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/activision.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=28857&p_created=1288879645&p_sid=dSPhf*Rk&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_srch=1&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9Niw2JnBfcHJvZHM9NDcyLDE3NTAmcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PTIuMTc1MCZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9cG9ydHM!&p_li=&p_topview=1)
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One thing I like about XBL, minimal port usage. ;D 3074 is the main one man. ::) The only one I used while playing M2, BO and MW3. I'm currently not using any GAMEFUEL rules right now. ::)
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Oh so you are using the DGL-4500 again? How is it performing with no GF rules? I have read that some people say it works better with no manual GF rules and just let the router do all the handling of the ports.
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Why dont you chk it out and let us know your results...
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Real funny furry! ::)
Too bad eventually I probably will, lol.
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;D
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Ok, I read this entire thread and still confused.
Furry & I had a conversation thread back about a month ago when I was having issues with MW3/xbox/gamefuel rules.
I have done all I know to make MW3 play better. The only thing that has helped just a small amount was turning gamefuel off and letting the router do its thing own its own. My husband is very irritated at me for constantly fooling with the setting and messing us up "in game". As of last night, I said I wasn't going to mess with the setting any more.
If I'm not lagging, my husband is or we are BOTH lagging.
I seem to remember a long time ago, when I tried to PF, it wouldn't allow me to forward the same ports for both xboxes. I could only do it for 1 so I haven't even attempted to PF or PT.
Now I see this thread and it makes me want to try other things.
I will add, I tried playing connected directly to the modem and that seemed even worse, if not, the same, so I'm beginning to think its just my ISP, along with the game itself. Halo 3 & Reach were always very laggy but MW3 seems to be worse.
I did go to DSL Reports and I have line monitoring on. I do show spikes of over 300ms a couple of times within the last few days (I've only had it since Wed.) but no one on the forums will tell me who/what I can/need to do about what I'm seeing. I average about 110ms to S. Cal., 63ms to NJ., 24/7. I live in SW, GA. My ISP has always told me my connection is fine and its normal to see high pings across country AND just don't ping the west coast. Well, thats all good for anyone that DOES NOT game. Any ping 100ms + is detrimental to gaming.
Sorry, I'm on a rant again. Changing ISP's isn't an option in my area either. I'll shut up about my ISP.
Don't know what to do now. Should I just keep gamefuel off and attempt PT or PF 3074?
Or what is your conclusion on this matter for set up? I'm about ready to pull out the old Netgear non gig router again.
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Maybe someone can review your router settings with you using teamviewer (http://www.teamviewer.com) if your interested. Its safe and secure.
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How exactly do you have your GF rules set up?
I have had good results so far by making 1 rule that include both XBOX's so that way they both have the same priority.
XBL sticky has been updated with the proper way to set up GF rules.
Deleted: easier just to see a screen shot posted in my next post.
On GF set up:
GF and Auto classification should be checked.
Dynamic Fragmentation: Uncheck
Automatic Uplink Speed: Uncheck.
Since you disabled auto uplink speed enter 5120 Kbps if your upload speed is 5 meg. You could even make it 6000 and it wont hurt anything. (1024Kbps = 1meg)
Select cable for connection type.
You are correct about PF that can only work on one Xbox, so don't use it if you game on more than one Xbox. I have PT set up for my two Xbox's and to tell you the truth I don't think it did anything. I will probably have to disable it for awhile and see what happens.
This is the proper way to set up PT for two Xbox's if you are wondering:
(https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1psSkchslgpg3hj8kY1KNwJMxTC_HoPJw4SCtpMKrg_4c2B2oE_IhWfOzCZrPPSUQ0yGHcNpZZuGUQVMVopMkJgA/spec%20apps002.bmp?psid=1)
The pings you listed seem to be a lot better and probably normal, what do you ping to your local servers? Just go to ping test.net and let it choose the best server. I ping around 100ms if not more to the East coast but I have not checked in awhile and 26-50ms to the local server depending what time or day.
Let us know, we are here to help.
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Thanks for the info.
I had my router set up like the sticky (modified before this last update) and gaming was really bad.
When I ping my local (Atlanta-100 miles) its about 15-25ms. I did a speed test last night on Charter's speed test & I'm pulling 62d/4.1up.
I might try just the 3074 as posted above and see what happens.
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Remember for multiple xboxes, don't use Port Forwarding or Application rules. Just use GameFuel.
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ok
;)
Hate to jack this thread.
What about changing the MTU?
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Ask your ISP.
Cable is 1500, DSL is 1492 or 1472. Not sure about Wireless ISP.
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YES, update your GF rules for just port 3074! I would see a lot of more lag when I included all the local ports in the GF rules (0-65535) so just use port 3074 on the local side, see below...
FYI: MW3 is just inherent to excess (XS) lag, lol. The sole reason for this thread was lag in MW3, anyway since going with the the new GF rules, lag has been minimized but still present. There is just something not right with MW3. In Black Ops, I would rarely see lag when running solo and when me and my son were on, after 1 or 2 games, we would pull host and game over for the other team. We would be 1 and 2 on the leader boards for the most part. It would take a pretty good team to beat us. Anyway, set up GF rules as shown below, then just relax knowing there is nothing more you can do and any lag you experience is most likely beyond your control.
CORRECTION ON MY ABOVE POST:
I thought that part was updated on the sticky, sorry but here is the best way to set up GF rules: FYI. if you find your other devices bogging down while you are gaming, then change the priority for port3074 from "1" to "30 or even 50"
It should look like this:
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I corrected my other post
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I would give 3074 a try on the Remote side as well.
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Thanks again guys.
I never have anything connected when I game. I even turn the tv off. lol
I'm about to re set my GFand I'll see if I see any difference.
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Just a little update:
I don't want to brag because when I think things are going well, they mess up. I did some tweaking yesterday & it caused me to not be able to log onto my router from any pc (wired or wireless). lol
So, I just did a factory reset and started over. I set it up like this thread/sticky except I didn't use DNS relay.
What I did do was use benchmark to find the fastest public DNS servers and added those. I've been using opendns for a few years. I found that my ISP's DNS servers & opendns were much slower. I ended up using 4.2.2.3 & 4.2.2.5, I think.
The games weren't great but I did see some difference in how some of my friends affected my games. I have some people that suck the life out of my connection when we party up and makes the game unplayable for me, along with the other MW3 lag issues. Maybe I just had a good night, don't know. I'll know more within the next week. Went 19-2 in TDM. Not bad for playing with the "connection suckers/3 bars". I usually go 4-14 when I play with them.
Oh, I asked a representative from my ISP to look at my line monitor & smoke ping results just to be sure things are running smoothly. (they monitor 24/7). She told me to disregard those results and do some trace & ping tests to them to "see if it was on their end". I stated that these monitors ARE monitoring my ISP & my ip address, no? I then asked why does (ISP) have live support on this site and this site suggests to run these tests first to see if you have issues with your ISP. Isn't that what this site is for. smoke ping is suppose to reveal any hidden issues that isn't normally seen. It suppose to give a more detailed picture of issues that haven't been found yet. Doing trace & pings a couple of times a days isn't going to reveal too much. I've done a trace that ran for over freaking 18 hours once and had a crap load of data but it was disregarded also. I found some at 2000ms but since it wasn't happening often enough, they brushed it off. I haven't gotten a response back.
*sigh*
I give up on my ISP. I'll keep my fingers crossed that whatever I did yesterday, keeps my games more consistent.
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I suppose this is the only ISP option you have? I forgot, is this Cable, DSL or Wireless? ::)
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Yup, this is the only choice.
I have cable.
I can't even get AT&T or Verizon where I live. lol
I'll get over it. I've gotten over it before. I gave them hell for a few years when I was into Halo 3. Didn't help, so I almost completely quit gaming for about 8 months. I played some MW2 & Black Ops but not regularly. MW3 came out and it has given me the gaming bug again but I see such horrible lag, bullet sponges, being shot around corners, being shot by people that aren't even facing me, putting entire clips into people and they walk away kinda thing. Is annoying and it is different than the regular lag you see in any online MM game. I don't get the fact that I can have all of these issues but yet, people in my party don't have them or have them as bad, even the people that are in the same state as me. So, if it "West Coat host" related, peeps in my party from my state (East Coast) aren't seeing these things like I am. This is why I still think there is an issue with my ISP.
Its like I said before, I can either deal with it or quit playing. I just quit playing the last time. We'll see how it goes this time.
Y'all have been a great help with the xbox setup though and if I can squeeze just a couple of ms out of that thing to my advantage, I'll be ok.
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Understandable. I think this has to do with the ISP. I presume if you game directly connected to the Modem you see the same issues.
Any chance of Charter sending out a Tech and have them confirm lines and signal quality from your house?
Just to make sure the 4500 is working, You might take it to a friend or families place sometime with your xbox and see how it works at a different location and different ISP if possible. I bet it will work great.
Again, Maybe someone can review your router settings with you using teamviewer (http://www.teamviewer.com) if your interested. Its safe and secure.
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I've played connected directly to the modem and get the same results.
I've had techs come out many times over the years and they claim nothing is wrong. They say I'm within the "normal range" of ping/packet loss or what ever. Of course, they only checked it twice a day. Well, their normal/acceptable range is too high for gaming. I think they said there was some pings at 100-180ms (local) but wasn't consistent enough for them to escalate it to do any further tests. and it wasn't enough to consider it bottlenecking.
This is why I'm trying smokeping and line monitoring 24/7. I hoping it will uncover something they aren't catching.
Oh, I just checked and those monitors aren't working since I reset the router. I do have it set for pings. gahh !
Don't know what's wrong. I'll have to check it when I get home from work.
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Well you on a fast ISP cable line, you shouldn't be seeing any issues with gaming on the modem and using the router. If you can collect any more info, then you can try to have them escalate it. I agree, there acceptable ranges are probably out of bounds for gaming and thats not right. Does video streaming exhibit the same? If so then this is more eggs in your basket to complain to them. It's unfortunate that they know they are the only ISP for you and mainly have you lock in to anything they say. >:(
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I don't have any trouble with streaming.
I have been seeing a lot of "pixeling" on my HD channels but I haven't called them. Its happened before and all they do is switch boxes, check the line, etc. and it usually clears up when they switch out boxes. It wont be worth taking a half day off of work for honestly.
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Just an FYI, a lot of people are complaining about lag in MW3 even with the best and fastest internet out there.
I really don't know how other games play on line since I never played Halo on online, I don't remember MW2 and in Bops if playing solo, the game ran really good (very little lag), however with a full party I would see lag a lot more. MW3 is 50/50 for me.
Here is a thread about lag issues on MW3:
http://community.callofduty.com/thread/200404485?start=0&tstart=0 (http://community.callofduty.com/thread/200404485?start=0&tstart=0)
Anyway good luck!
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I stalk that forum also ;). I have theater turned off. Someone mentioned it might help by not having it record your gameplay all of the time if your connection isn't great. It's possible that isn't a proven statement but I turned it off anyway. I might turn it back on to see if it makes any difference now since I reset my router settings.
Actually, for me, Halo 3 and Reach are almost unplayable also with my country connection. MW2 & Black Ops weren't as bad for some reason but boy, MW3 is rated the same as H3/Reach with the dang sensitive connection/lag/host crap.
I will say, playing Big Team (16 players) in any of those games, was horrible for me.
I was addicted to H3 back in the day. Mainly Lonewolves and Team Slayer. See, at one time (about in 2009) my connection was kicking butt. I was ranking on up. Got 2 accounts ranked up to about 41 for one and a 40 for the other.........all in about 2 months time. I was pinging heads and t-bagging. lol. My shots were on the money and you couldn't out BR me. I loved it. One day, I signed on and it was like someone had flipped off the light switch. I could not get a kill no matter how hard I tried. Sadly, I finally got to a 45 and quit playing. The frustration wasn't worth it. I moved over to MW2.
I don't know what happened and my ISP said there was nothing wrong. I know something is wrong. It would be different if I never knew what its like having your shots register like they are suppose to. But I DO know. I had the godly connection for about 3-4 months (out of 8 years) and it was the most awesome feeling I've ever had gaming.
That's why I try to squeeze as much out of anything I can just to get a few ms on my side these days.
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I really would push this up and get it escalated. ::) If you had good gaming back then and now you don't, means something they have done or something the ISP needs to look into.
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Well, noticed the other day, my Xbox had a (not so) random port number assigned to it 16621 and not the standard port number 3074.
I reset my settings on the the Xbox to factory settings and restarted the Xbox and it was back to using port 3074 for gaming.
I checked my son Xbox and it was using a different (not so) random port number 17510. I reset all settings on everything a few times and no matter what I did, I could not get both Xbox's at the same time to use port 3074 this time around. If my Xbox was using port 3074, my sons Xbox was using port 17510. If his Xbox was using port 3074, my Xbox would use port 16621. The two random ports would always be the same so that is why I say "not so" random port. I guess the good news the router is consistent on using the same random port number for each Xbox, I checked this a few times and it would always use 2 of these 3 port numbers.
Anyway I change my GF rules for ports 0-65535 right now on local and remote side to avoid any more issues with the router using random ports. If theses random ports remain static on each Xbox I may just create a rule for each one since I feel when you just set a rule for a single local port vs. a whole port range, the router performs better. Does anyone else have feedback on which is better?
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I currently use 3074 only, however I haven't been able to test more that one xbox since I'm the only one at my house now playing xbox. I do have another xbox I could put on line and just connect to a game I guess and see. I presume the random ports are used to to the fact that maybe only one device on the out going can use a specific port, so if multiple xboxes are online and connect, I presume that one should connect to 3074 and the other connects to a random port which the router and XBL sets up in some fashion. :-\
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Yeah, that is what I was thinking, the odd thing is even if I just had one Xbox running, it would still be using the random port number even though port 3074 was not being used, the only way I could get each Xbox to switch back port 3074 was to restore factory default settings in the Xbox dashboard.
All in all its not that big of deal as long as the router uses these same random port numbers. I can set up GF rules/port forwarding just as easy on these other ports as I can on port 3074 as long as they don't change, lol.
Here is a funny story, When I noticed my Xbox using this random port, I reset everything so it would start using port 3074 again. I played two games and put up 2-3 KDR games, stopped playing for an hour and played two more games and put up the same numbers! I was oh yeah! the lag is fixed and then I played the next day and it was right back to how it was, lol. I don't know why part of me thinks there is some magic thing I can do that is going to change the lag issues even though I KNOW better. :(
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I think it's more like PEBKAC ::)
Besides we seems to play pretty good last weekend. I had a great time.
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LOL, you mean PEBKAC? yeah right more like PEBXAEU-Problem exist between XBL and end user! Meaning IW/Activision...
Yeah that's because you camped it up, lol. well at least we won every game. Too bad I could only get 3 games in!
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I love camping, it pisses the other team off. ;D Need to work on playing more SIR! ::)
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Funny reading through this whole thread 3 months later and read about yourself discover how the router uses ports etc. LOL.
Well it has been two weeks and my sons Xbox is always using port 17510 regardless if my Xbox is on or off. The only way I can get his xbox to use port 3074 is to make sure my Xbox is off and to restore factory network settings via Xbox dashboard.
Anyway, reading through this thread again, I noticed in my screenshots that when each Xbox was using port 3074 at the same time on the local side (router), my modem would only allow one Xbox to use port 3074. So if his Xbox had port 3074 on the WAN and local side my Xbox would have port 33030 (WAN side) and if my Xbox had port 3074 on the WAN/local side his Xbox would have port 21636 on the internet WAN side.
So this makes me wonder since my router will not allow both Xbox's to use port 3074 at the same time anymore that it may be possible it will use another random port # besides port 17510 or 16621 like port 21636 or 33030. However I have yet to see my router use any port besides 3074, 17510 or 16621 on the local side, so this is all speculation.
Anyway, I still have GF rules set up to cover all ports on both local and remote side for piece of mind. I highly suggest if you are running multiple Xbox's is to check your internet sessions frequently to know what ports each Xbox is using and set up your GF rules accordingly or just set up GF rules for all ports and call it a day. ;)