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Author Topic: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX  (Read 17065 times)

Nicole Smith

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Hi, everyone. Nicole here again.. with another question..  :)

  in our business, for security reasons, we have always, recorded all of the phone conversations with all of our clients, for quality purpose. we have always used,  the linksys PAP2 and use different Voip companies, like vonage,Phone Power, Vocalocity, and others. To record all of incoming and outgoing conversation in the business.  


When we use any of our 5 modem routers, with the PAP2, and use any of 5 Voip providers, the calls get recorded, in Full Duplex mode. and gives us a green light. witch means, the person who is calling, and the person who is receiving the call, are both being recorded, and there is no problem.

But when i connect the DGL 4500, the calls get recorded in Half Duplex mode, and gives us a red light, wich mean, that only one of the persons voice, is being recorded.  


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    So, besides Voip, we made another test, about Online Gaming, and other things. We tested Call Of Duty, black ops, and Gears OF war 3 Beta. for roughly 5 hours. We had 5 of the most skilled people, play for 1 hour online, in both COD-Black OPs and Gears Of Wars 3 beta.  and these are the results.

D-LINK MODEM + D-LINK DGL 4500 ROUTER                2 WIRE 2700HG MODEM ROUTER

Call OF Duty Black Ops

Player 1                                                                Player 1
17 kills 8 deaths                                                     26 kills  4 deaths

Player 2                                                                player 2
19 kills  6 deaths                                                    28 kills  4 deaths

player 3                                                                player 3
14 kills  6 deaths                                                    23 kills   2 deaths

player 4                                                                player 4
12 kills  5 deaths                                                    27 kills  3 deaths

player 5                                                                player 5
14 kills  7 deaths                                                    22 kills   3 deaths


Gears OF wars 3 Beta

Player 1                                                                player 1
12 kills   8 deaths                                                   19 kills 2 deaths


player 2                                                                player 2
10 kills  6 deaths                                                    17 kills  2 deaths

player 3                                                                player 3
10 kills  4 deaths                                                    22 kills   1 deaths

player 4                                                                 player 4
9 kills 6 deaths                                                        26 kills  o deaths

player 5                                                                 player 5
12 kills 5 deaths                                                       21 kills  3 deaths



These calculation, where made from 5 hour of gameplay, in diffrent maps, with each player.

now this is what the player's say, with the DGL 4500, people who played gears of war 3, would say, that with the DGL 4500, you cannot see the lag, but, when trying to battle someone, close with the shotgun, or with the sawed off. they would most likely, kill someone 60%, but when they used the 2 WIRE 2700 HG , they felt more, free ness, and quickness. witch meas, that they kill someone  95% of the time.

same thing with call of duty, when trying to knife someone or kill someone with the shotgun. or when shooting, someone from far distance , people when using the DGL 4500 , would only get about 65% of the time, with the 2 WIRE 2700HG, they would get about 90% of the time that kill.


These are players, last from 8am till 12 midnight at night time, playing in my gaming lounge. practicing for international tournaments.


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I don't know if it has something to do with the settings, on the DGL 4500 WAN, or LAN port Settings or Configuration , or what settings, im supposed have on or off, or have checked, or not..?  or it if has something to do, with the D-link Modem 2320B, being connected  into the DLINK DGL 4500 ROUTER. i think its something to do with the settings in the DLG 4500. i just don't know.

hope someone can help me on this one. because we have setup, all of our gaming lounge, with the D-LINK 2320B modem, + DGL 4500 Router.  Internet speeds are 50MB Download, 2MB upload. there must be a way around this.

  
The Point to this, is. If there is a way to get FULL DUPLEX working on DGL 4500. this problem will be solved. for both, VOIP and Online gaming.

Important Notice

People, will never notice this, unless they have at least 5 different modems, or different router, like we have. we tested all of them. and they work fine. only problem is with the DGL 4500.  Also tested my other DGL 4500 and same things happens.



we use, different voip licensed programs to record our calls like MiaRec Business and other that cost $300.00 per phone line. ,  also if you don't have a licensed voip program like we have, a quick way, to test this for free. is with the  oxid.it Cain & Abel program its free.and one of our players, even tested, with this app. and it only works in Half Duplex Mode.  


the PAP2 Linksys VOIP adapater is connected to one of the LAN ports on the DGL 4500, and then , all recording loggs, gets saved, in a laptop that is connected, via Wireless.

im using Firmware Version : 1.15,  2008/10/29

thank you and god bless everyone

    --------this is something useful i found---------

Half-duplex Ethernet is defined in the original 802.3 Ethernet; Cisco says it uses only one wire pair with a digital signal running in both directions on the wire. Certainly, the IEEE specifications discuss the process of half duplex somewhat differently, but what Cisco is talking about is a general sense of what is happening here with Ethernet.

It also uses the CSMA/CD protocol to help prevent collisions and to permit retransmitting if a collision does occur. If a hub is attached to a switch, it must operate in half-duplex mode because the end stations must be able to detect collisions. Half-duplex Ethernet typically 10BaseT is only about 30 to 40 percent efficient as Cisco sees it, because a large 10BaseT network will usually only give you 3 to 4Mbps at most.

But full-duplex Ethernet uses two pairs of wires, instead of one wire pair like half duplex. And full duplex uses a point-to-point connection between the transmitter of the transmitting device and the receiver of the receiving device. This means that with full-duplex data transfer, you get a faster data transfer compared to half duplex. And because the transmitted data is sent on a different set of wires than the received data, no collisions will occur.
The reason you don’t need to worry about collisions is because now it’s like a freeway with multiple lanes instead of the single-lane road provided by half duplex.

Full-duplex Ethernet is supposed to offer 100 percent efficiency in both directions e.g., you can get 20Mbps with a 10Mbps Ethernet running full duplex, or 200Mbps for Fast Ethernet. But this rate is something known as an aggregate rate, which translates as You’re supposed to get 100 percent efficiency. No guarantees, in networking as in life.

Full-duplex Ethernet can be used in three situations:

- With a connection from a switch to a host
- With a connection from a switch to a switch
- With a connection from a host to a host using a crossover cable

Now, if it’s capable of all that speed, why wouldn’t it deliver? Well, when a full-duplex Ethernet port is powered on, it first connects to the remote end, and then negotiates with the other end of the Fast Ethernet link. This is called an auto-detect mechanism.

This mechanism first decides on the exchange capability, which means it checks to see if it can run at 10 or 100Mbps. It then checks to see if it can run full duplex, and if it can’t, it will run half duplex.
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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2011, 09:18:12 AM »

Are you using the 4500 with Gamefuel rules enabled or disabled when you did the gaming test?

For VoIP, what are the current Firewall settings?
Try setting the firewall settings to EndPoint Independent for TCP and UDP.
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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2011, 10:08:22 AM »

Are you using the 4500 with Gamefuel rules enabled or disabled when you did the gaming test?

For VoIP, what are the current Firewall settings?
Try setting the firewall settings to EndPoint Independent for TCP and UDP.


We tried this method, with game fuel disabled only hooking up, 1 game console, on router, and also only 1 voip adapter . If im not mistaking, if there is only 1 lan port being used on router, gamefuel should not be turned on, since the router itself, should give all the priority to this and only lan port being used. also if only 4 xbox 360 are connected to each port witch in total are 4 ports on the back of the DLG 4500, shouldn't all the ports receive the same priority. just as any router.  correct me if im wrong.

also do you think, these firewall  UDP, and TCP. settings that i have,  is whats causing the problem and giving me half duplex from LAN or WAN ports, instead of full duplex.? on VOIP..? or XBOX LIVE.?

So, my question is should i change the UDP and TCP, settings.? will this resolve the VOIP from half duplex, to full duplex.? and also, since only xbox 360 consoles are being connected to each lan port, i don't think gamer fuel should be turned on. because then, one xbox 360 will receive more priority than the others. and i don't think that's good, because people will always want to play on a specific console instead of any one that is empty. would like to know what you think.



Here is the Information you requested. these are my settings.

 
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GAMEFUEL SETUP
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Enable GameFuel : yes

Automatic Classification :yes

Dynamic Fragmentation : yes

Automatic Uplink Speed : yes


Connection Type : AUTO-DETECT

Detected xDSL or
Other Frame Relay Network : Yes

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ADD GAMEFUEL RULE
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NOt enabled


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FIREWALL SETTINGS
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Enable SPI : YES

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NAT ENDPOINT FILTERING
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UDP  : ADDRESS RESTRICTED
TCP  : PORT AND ADDRESS RESTRICTED

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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2011, 10:15:16 AM »

If you have more than one console online and connected it's recommended to use the gamefule rules to set up for each xbox and give priority. I have a buddy that has 3 and theres work well.
You can check out an example of my settings here:
http://forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=38206.0
This is for 2 xboxes and works well for more then that.
Disregard the 2 rules that are not enabled. Just use the Port 53 and port 3074 rule entries.

Give the Endpoint Independent settings a try in firewall.

There has been some issues with these routers working with other VoIP adaptors and routers.
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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2011, 10:24:30 AM »

I really loved my 2wire 2701HG-B modem/router when I had DSL. 

We really never had issues with it, of course it was the one AT&T recommended and sold, so I'm sure it was tested extensively.

Sorry that I have nothing of value to add to this discussion.  :P  Just sayin'

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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2011, 10:27:34 AM »

If you have more than one console online and connected it's recommended to use the gamefule rules to set up for each xbox and give priority. I have a buddy that has 3 and theres work well.

Give the Endpoint Independent settings a try in firewall.

There has been some issues with these routers working with other VoIP adaptors and routers.


ok, ill try the endpoint independent settings in a about 1 or 2 hours or maybe less as soon as they finish playing, right now i have all the 10 xbox 360, being played on prating for a tournament. because if i reset the router, that means no internet, and these guys will kill me, if i do that now. lol :)

about the priority, if you think about it, it makes no sense. since only xbox 360 consoles are being used.  if there was 1 or 2 computer's connected via wireless or lan, downloading torrents, movies, or games. then i think gamerfuel would be useful on.

can you give each gamerfuel the same priority..? , on each xbox 360.  also remember im using the DGL-4500 plus NETGEAR router, now. so if i give gamerfuel priority, have 3 xbox connected to DGL, 1 lan port connected from DGL 4500 to NETGEAR router LAN port. and use the other empty LAN ports on the NETGEAR, for the other xbox 360
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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011, 11:09:00 AM »

If you use my example in my previous message, you'll be only setting up 2 rules, one for port 53 and port 3074. Since you seem to have a bunch of consoles, you need to make sure each one is setup for a DHCP Reserved (Static) IP address and the addresses are in sequence, i.e. 192.168.0.50 thru 192.168.0.60. Don't let any PCs get with in this address range. Just keep it to the consoles. Once you have all the consoles set up, then input the first ip address into the Local IP Address Range FROM box and input the last ip address of the last xbox into the Local IP Address Range TO box. Everything between the beginning and ending addresses will be included.

Let me know and I can help you out by using Team Viewer and check on your settings if you like.
Look at Post #10 in the previous linked message.
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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2011, 11:21:29 AM »

If you use my example in my previous message, you'll be only setting up 2 rules, one for port 53 and port 3074. Since you seem to have a bunch of consoles, you need to make sure each one is setup for a DHCP Reserved (Static) IP address and the addresses are in sequence, i.e. 192.168.0.50 thru 192.168.0.60. Don't let any PCs get with in this address range. Just keep it to the consoles. Once you have all the consoles set up, then input the first ip address into the Local IP Address Range FROM box and input the last ip address of the last xbox into the Local IP Address Range TO box. Everything between the beginning and ending addresses will be included.

Let me know and I can help you out by using Team Viewer and check on your settings if you like.
Look at Post #10 in the previous linked message.


sorry it seems i forgot to mention in my first post, that we have all the xbox 360 with a static ip, from 192.168.0.100 to 192.168.0.110 ..and also we have opened up, the ports for xbox live, in the DGL 4500. just in case, and we also set everything to automatic,  and vise versa. when we did the test.  


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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 11:42:36 AM »

Need to use Gamefule rules, don't use Gaming rules.
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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 11:47:27 AM »

i just found this...on other websites, posted over the internet.. OMG. how can this be..? i spend lots of money on buying 2 of these DLG 4500 routers. and now i find these specs. it says that DLG 4500 only handle's Half Duplex..  if this can be corrected by a firmware upgrade or something.  because it makes no sence. for a $400.00 to $200.00 router.  to be half duplex.  when other routers in the market, that cost $15.00 to $30.00 Support Full Duplex MODE..

can someone share some light on this. i guess its not the settings, its the actual router itself..

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General Features
LED Indicators    Interactive Status Display
Communication Mode    Half Duplex
Compliant Standards (Wired)    IEEE 802.3 10Base-T, IEEE 802.3u 100Base-TX, IEEE 802.3ab 1000Base-T
Compliant Standards (Wireless)    IEEE 802.11b Wireless, IEEE 802.11g Wireless G, IEEE 802.11n (Draft 2.0) Wireless
Device Management    Web-Based Management
Routing Protocol    RIP-1, RIP-2 (Static Routing & Dynamic Routing)
Internet Sharing Methods    Static IP, Dynamic IP, PPPoE, PPTP, L2TP
Encryption    Data and Network Security with 64-bit/128-bit WEP Data Encryption
Firewall/Security    Network Address Translation (NAT); Stateful Packet Inspection (SPI);
VPN Features    VPN Pass-through; Multi-sessions: PPTP, L2TP, IPSec
Radio Technology    Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum (DSSS)
Modulation Technology    Complementary Code Keying (CCK)
Frequency    2.412GHz to 2.462GHz
Antenna    (3) Detachable Antennas
Channels    11 Channels (US, Canada), 13 Channels (European Countries)
Wireless B Data Transfer Rate    11Mbps, 5.5Mbps, 2Mbps, 1Mbps
Wireless G Data Transfer Rate    54Mbps, 48Mbps, 36Mbps, 24Mbps, 18Mbps, 12Mbps, 9Mbps, 6Mbps
Wireless N Data Transfer Rate    300Mbps, 270Mbps, 243Mbps, 216Mbps, 162Mbps, 135Mbps, 130Mbps, 121.5Mbps, 117Mbps, 108Mbps
Wired Data Transfer Rate (Half-Duplex)    1000Mbps, 100Mbps, 10Mbps
Network Ports and Connectors    (4) RJ-45 10/100/1000 Gigabit Auto-Sensing Ports
Auxiliary Ports    (1) RJ-45 10/100 Auto-Sensing WAN Port; (1) USB Port
Power Supply    AC Adapter
Manufacturer Warranty    1 Year Limited Warranty
What's in the Box    Xtreme N™ Gaming Router +3 Detachable Antennas +Ethernet Cable +Power Adapter +CD-ROM5 with -Installation Wizard -Product Documentation -World in Conflict™ Content
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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2011, 12:03:49 PM »

You have to be aware that this router is meant for gaming mostly. Half Dulpex is probably something that the developers came up with, who knows. And maybe the gaming aspect doesn't required the use of Full-duplex. I don't have any information on this. This router was never over $200 retail so $400 is a bit over board.

It's possible that for your needs in VoIP that a different router that is designed specifically to handle that kinda of traffic would be a better option. This router is an excellent router for gaming and general use. Been the best router I've ever had. I have 2 of them.
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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2011, 04:10:32 PM »

You have to be aware that this router is meant for gaming mostly. Half Dulpex is probably something that the developers came up with, who knows. And maybe the gaming aspect doesn't required the use of Full-duplex. I don't have any information on this. This router was never over $200 retail so $400 is a bit over board.

It's possible that for your needs in VoIP that a different router that is designed specifically to handle that kinda of traffic would be a better option. This router is an excellent router for gaming and general use. Been the best router I've ever had. I have 2 of them.

Its confusing, the specs say HALF DUPLEX, and i've been reading other forums, where people say its full duplex, but, they don't specify. how to make it full duplex..

No wonder ive been having this issue, Full Duplex, is better for anything, whether its Voip, online gaming, or file transferring. we have just tested, again for the past 2 hours.. the only way to find out is to test out like we did. We tested it, with 10 different player's and all of them, agreed, there was a diffrence, when using the DGL-4500 compared to the rest of the router.  With DGL-4500 they get less points, less kills,and more deaths.   When using other router's they get More Points, More Kills, and less deaths.

this test is like a blind fold test, because they can't see what router is being used. because its in a room, where only we have access to.  So i would switch from one router to the next, every 30 mints. just to compare. started with DGL-4500, then place another router, then, another router, then another router,DGL-4500, then another router, then DGL-4500.  every time i placed the DGL-4500, people who notice the difference.

the only way to find this out, is with other router's like we have 5 diffrent one. testing them out 1 by 1.  what its not explainable to me, is that DGL-4500 cost me lots of money, more than $200.00 each one. i have 2 of these router's. and they are only half duplex. and as other people, state in other forum, all of my other router's just cost me. from $20.00 to $40.00. and there all full duplex. some of these router's are like 8 years old. and are full duplex.


Is there someone, that you know of, that can share some light on this subject..? maybe a tech. or someone.? ill tried to contact D-LINK tech department, but i was put on hold for like 20 mints, so i just hung up.

Maybe this can be, fixed, with a software upgrade..? or if its something internal, inside the DGL-4500. then i guess it can't..

 FurryNutz...  i also want to thank you.. for you trying to help me with this issue.. it seems, your the only person, that talks, in this forum. what ever happened to lycan, fatman, and the rest of the mods, and other forum, people.? are they on vacations or what. ? i remember back 1 year ago. when someone posted a new thread, they would get lots of great help from lots of different people..some of witch have helped me years ago. and i owe thanks to.   

what can you tell me..?
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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2011, 06:19:54 PM »

The most active and helpful guys here are Furry, Hard Harry and Look Into My Eyes.  I've been chatting with them for about 3 or 4 months now, but they're the only "old timers" here, Nicole.
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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2011, 07:21:31 PM »

Depends on the device, what device do you want to run at full duplex? I have almost all my devices at full duplex including my Ps3, computers Etc. Most if not all router support full duplex, also I would like to say that I am sorry I didn't post any sooner to help you Nicole Smith, but I refrain from posting and reading when the user requires me to read an abusively long post. If you enable full duplex on the device you are allowing the router to send and receive at the same time (excellent for VoIP), also in order to achieve a full duplex of 1Gbps (500Mbps up and 500Mbps down) you must have a standard cat 6 cable and the device/network card must also support a gigabit connection. You can also do a full duplex at lower speeds such as 100Mbps (50Mbps up and 50Mbps down) But since this is a gaming router you would want to use it at its full potential. Also let me point this out, I am not really sure what you are requesting, I didn’t bother to read the essays. Hope I am not coming on too strong and my apologies if I may have seemed rude. Have a great day Nicole Smith (your name sounds nice)

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Re: D-LINK 2320B MODEM+ DGL 4500 ROUTER + VOIP = HALF DUPLEX
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2011, 07:51:58 PM »

I would also like for you to understand that 1Gbps full duplex will only work in the network (LAN) Specially in the Dominican Republic, were the internet (WAN) is not up to 1Gbps.

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